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Is there anyone aware of any homeopathic treatment for a person suffering from hemochromatosis (too much iron in the liver, leading to serious liver desease if not treated)? I have such a case in my own family and it would be a great relief to know that there is an alternative to the traditional cure, which is giving large quantities of blood every three weeks to reduce the amount of iron stored in the organs? Answers from competent persons would be very much appreciated. With thanks and kind regards. Robert.

This may sound way out in left field as an "alternative", but eating stewed, unsweetened rhubarb (about a cup) with each meal will help. Rhubarb binds with the excess iron and is expelled through natural digestion.  I’m having success with this method with one of my iridology clients.  You can look up the above fact in almost any good vitamin/mineral handbook.

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First of all,  I am NOT a doctor and NOT a homeopath. I do believe that homeopathy is well worth checking out in this instance.  Please – continue investigating this possible solution,  it cannot hurt to keep looking, and possibly to find something much more effective than having to get rid of your own blood on such a regular basis. The homeopathic / naturopathic doctor I see is Dr. Jack Larmer – and you can reach him at 603-595-7755.    He will talk with you re this condition, and if appropriate, help you find some way to deal with it. Good luck! Alice

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   (Richard Jacobson) writes:       And also Judy does not treat "diseases". She treats symptoms.       So if someone came in with profound fatigue even if that       fatigue was secondary to profound blood loss and subsequent       anemia , the homeopathic treatment would likely not consider       this fact. Holism at its finest.    You obviously don’t know how homeopathy treats illness. Please take    the time to find out. Otherwise you will just be attacking figments of    your own imagination.    I am sorry Bernie. Correct me if I am wrong. Homeopathy    does not treat "diseases" as such. Instead a comprehensive    history of all symptoms is obtained and then a homeopathic    treatment is given that *matches* the symptoms based    upon *like treats like* theory. This method seems to    have made some homeopaths believe that they could    treat hemochromatosis since although it is a "disease"    as defined by conventional medicine it is ALSO a process    that manifests itself with certain symptoms. For example    someone with hemochromatosis might present with the following    symptoms including weakness, weight loss, loss of libido    and abdominal pain. So if someone presented with these    symptoms a homeopath might prescribe a remedy that *matches*    the symptoms. This is why Judy *asked* for a description of    the illness from John. She likely does not know what the    illness is but thinks that she could treat it based on    the symptoms manifested. All medicine treats on the basis of signs and symptoms. The difference between homeopathy and allopathy is that allopathy groups the common symptoms of an illness into a diagnostic category or disease name and treats on the basis of the inferred cause of the symptoms, while homeopathy treats on the basis of the individuating symptoms. The difference exists because allopathy seeks to counter the disease directly while homeopathy seeks to stimulate the body’s healing ability to fight the disease and believes that the individuating symptoms provide the best indication of the body’s response to the disease. Common symptoms, such as you describe above, are generally not decisive in choosing the homeopathic remedy. In homeopathy everthing the patient relates is considered a symptom. This includes any causation (etiology) that the patient notices.  Etiology is considered an important symptom in choosing the homeopathic remedy and every good homeopath will look for it. Any competent homeopath will also perform diagnostic tests where indicated, such as testing iron status in anemia. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html   Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all,  I am NOT a doctor and NOT a homeopath. I do believe that homeopathy is well worth checking out in this instance. Please – continue investigating this possible solution,  it cannot hurt to keep looking, and possibly to find something much more effective than having to get rid of your own blood on such a regular basis. The homeopathic / naturopathic doctor I see is Dr. Jack Larmer – and you can reach him at 603-595-7755.    He will talk with you re this condition, and if appropriate, help you find some way to deal with it. Good luck! Alice While I realize that you made a disclaimer for not being either a doctor or a homeopath that does not make it appropriate for you to advertise for your doctor in this newsgroup.

To the contrary, you need to make a distinction between an ENDORSEMENT and an ADVERTISMENT. It is VERY appropriate to endorse a practitioner of alternative medicine in this newsgroup, and to provide the phone number of that person if you think it may be useful to people here. You have seen me post the number of the Well Mind Association of Greater Washington here many times (301)949-8282, referring people to orthomolecular physicians and a free newsletter. I have never received any money from WMAGW, in fact, I donate money to them every year. —  John Hammell, Political Coordinator, The Life Extension Foundation             800-333-2553, 305-929-2905, 305-929-0507 FAX **For Complimentary Copy Life Extension Magazine-Send Street Address**

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   Question? How do YOU determine if an illness is *genetic*    or *nongenetic* in etiology? Are you saying that ALL    genetic illnesses would best be treated with non    homeopathic remedies? If not then how does one determine    which illnesses that are genetic would respond to    homeopathy? And if *some* genetic illnesses could    be treated with homeopathy why not hemochromatosis? Genetic material encodes the production of proteins. One knows that a disease is genetic when one can show that a particular disease is caused by the deficiency of a certain protein, identifies the gene that produces it, and shows that the persons with the disease have the defective gene. No homeopathic treatment (or any other treatment) can make the body produce a protein it cannot code for. Still, the body has a remarkable capability to compensate for deficiencies and good health is possible in many cases in the face of these deficiencies. Many genetic diseases are best treated by lifestyle changes. Homeopathy can improve health or palliate the disease in many cases. A doctor skilled in both the allopathic and homeopathic treatment of disease is best qualified to make the judgement what type of treatment to employ. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html   Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust

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In a book "Alternative medicine" compiled by The Burton Goldberg Group from 350 leading edge physicians. mentions (pages 126-133) that chelation therapy works for iron poisoning. The American Board of Chelation Therapy Chicago (312-266-7246) can find you a doctor trained in this method. There are four associations listed plus 7 books on it.

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Badanes) writes:  A competant homeopathy could deal effectively with this. Er, Judith?  You don’t even KNOW what ‘hemochromatosis’ is, yet you feel quite comfortable recommending "A competant homeopathy" as an effective treatment.

You don’t know what I know and what I don’t know. Why don’t you describe it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Describe hemochromatosis and its "effective" management with homeopathy. Please, no generic ‘homeopathisms’ until you look-up hemochromatosis in a book that actually considers such toxicities, OK?  Then we’ll take another look at your cavalier and thoughtless assertion that "A competant homeopathy could deal effectively with [hemochromatosis]."      If you are interested in some suggestions on finding a homeopath,  feel free to contact me. People are still in mild shock and horror after your statements regarding ‘homeopathy as a treatment for large blood clots on the brain,’ Judith. Now you want them to contact you for a referral for their hemochromatosis?  What about, gout, Judith? What’s a nose?   -"Homeopathy…it’s so much more than water." -JB.

People are still in mild shock and horror after my statements……At least own up to the fact that it is you. Yes there is homeopathic treatment for blood clots on the brain. Dear JB….. Live in whatever neather land you wish….. There are lots of homeopaths where you live. A little much for the competition????? Why not discuss your problems with your local homeopaths. Several in your area are MD’s. What I would do would be to refer the person to the national organization for a doctor referral on this situation. You do remember if the person asked for homeopathic advice not allopathic advice. Remember there are "competant" MD’s that are also "competant" homeopaths.

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   If there are syptoms, physical or mental there is a homeopathic    remedy. The statement that homeopathy can cure all illness, mental or physical, is more a statement of faith than a reasoned judgement. Since hemacromatosis is a genetic illness, I feel there is a limit on how much homeopathy can do. Regular blood donations and attention to the diet seems to be the best course of treatment. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html    Don’t call me doctor!

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(Richard Jacobson) writes:

   And also Judy does not treat "diseases". She treats symptoms.    So if someone came in with profound fatigue even if that    fatigue was secondary to profound blood loss and subsequent    anemia , the homeopathic treatment would likely not consider    this fact. Holism at its finest. You obviously don’t know how homeopathy treats illness. Please take the time to find out. Otherwise you will just be attacking figments of your own imagination. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html    Don’t call me doctor!

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Is there anyone aware of any homeopathic treatment for a person suffering from hemochromatosis (too much iron in the liver, leading to serious liver desease if not treated)? I have such a case in my own family and it would be a great relief to know that there is an alternative to the traditional cure, which is giving large quantities of blood every three weeks to reduce the amount of iron stored in the organs? Answers from competent persons would be very much appreciated. With thanks and kind regards. Robert.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there anyone aware of any homeopathic treatment for a person suffering from hemochromatosis (too much iron in the liver, leading to serious liver desease if not treated)? I have such a case in my own family and it would be a great relief to know that there is an alternative to the traditional cure, which is giving large quantities of blood every three weeks to reduce the amount of iron stored in the organs? Answers from competent persons would be very much appreciated. With thanks and kind regards. Robert.

I know this isn’t what you’re looking for, but the modern answer to this problem is indeed in ye lettyng of ye Bloode.  If you have too much iron in the body, this is the best way to remove it.  In general, it takes a blood donation every week for several YEARS (your doctor will keep track).  No magical potion will get rid of iron, since iron can neither be created or destroyed (at least not in a biological system).  And of course, blood donation is a good deed, too. One thing you must NOT do is supplement with vitamin C, until the iron is out.  Vitamin C in large amounts frees iron from body stores, and can be quite toxic to people with iron overload.  This is one of the few really bad possible vitamin C effects I know of.                                       Steve Harris, M.D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   If there are syptoms, physical or mental there is a homeopathic   remedy. The statement that homeopathy can cure all illness, mental or physical, is more a statement of faith than a reasoned judgement. Since hemacromatosis is a genetic illness, I feel there is a limit on how much homeopathy can do. Regular blood donations and attention to the diet seems to be the best course of treatment. Thank you Bernie for your thoughtful response. One of the major concerns that I have in reading many of the posts from a number of individuals (a few in particular) is the manner in which they post seems to make one think that their alternative treatment is more religious than reasoned based on objective criteria. By making their treatment suggestions seem more religious than anything else they turn off many people who might otherwise be interested. Question? How do YOU determine if an illness is *genetic* or *nongenetic* in etiology? Are you saying that ALL genetic illnesses would best be treated with non homeopathic remedies? If not then how does one determine which illnesses that are genetic would respond to homeopathy? And if *some* genetic illnesses could be treated with homeopathy why not hemochromatosis? Thanx again for bringing this dialogue to a respectful discussion. I and I am sure the readers greatly appreciate it. Aloha, Rich — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html    Don’t call me doctor! Richard Jacobson Better to be unsure about something than to be certain and be wrong Always remember to put Horace before Descarte

To consider genetic disorders as outside of the realm of homeopathic treatment, is to totally ignore Hahnemann’s work with miasms.  While we must respect the fact that genetic imbalances are deep-seated and will probably not respond with the "miraculous/instantaneous" results we sometimes see in acute treatment, we should not exclude the possibility that IF we are able to trace the imbalance to its miasmatic or genetic root, that even those conditions condidered untreatable by "scientific" standards may indeed respond to homeopathic  treatment. Common sense would dictate that all other modalities that may offer support of the system should also be used.  Homeopathy need not be mutually exclusive to other treatment, in fact herbal and nutritional therapy may actually minimize the aggravations of  some remedies, especially those which stimulate the type of deep healing required to alter genetic patterns. Hope springs eternal Donna Thrush

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Homeopathy doesn’t deal with disease categories. It takes into consideration physical, mental, emotional, spiritual qualities of a person in picking a remedy and in chosing how to administer that remedy. A competant homeopathy could deal effectively with this. If you are interested in some suggestions on finding a homeopath, feel free to contact me.

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If there are syptoms, physical or mental there is a homeopathic remedy. The sooner the treatment the better because it is the vital force with the aid of the communication from the remedy that will bring the being back to health/balance. Find someone in the area who can see the being. Alot is learned through the consultation. Ask friends and other alternative practioners in your area for referral.

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  A competant homeopathy could deal effectively with this. Er, Judith?  You don’t even KNOW what ‘hemochromatosis’ is, yet you feel quite comfortable recommending "A competant homeopathy" as an effective treatment. Describe hemochromatosis and its "effective" management with homeopathy. Please, no generic ‘homeopathisms’ until you look-up hemochromatosis in a book that actually considers such toxicities, OK?  Then we’ll take another look at your cavalier and thoughtless assertion that "A competant homeopathy could deal effectively with [hemochromatosis]."       If you are interested in some suggestions on finding a homeopath,   feel free to contact me. People are still in mild shock and horror after your statements regarding ‘homeopathy as a treatment for large blood clots on the brain,’ Judith. Now you want them to contact you for a referral for their hemochromatosis?  What about, gout, Judith? What’s a nose?    -"Homeopathy…it’s so much more than water." -JB.

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