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So gallstone induced pancreatitis can be a life threatening condition ? yes … and it’s a nasty way to die.

It can be a nasty way to live, as well. Acute pancreatitis can sometimes lead to chronic pancreatitis, and life for patients with chronic pancreatitis sucks, with recurrent attacks of abdominal pain and inability to eat requiring hospital admission and sometimes necessitating intravenous nutrition for periods fo time, not to mention the potential need for surgery for complications of chronic pancreatitis, such as pseudocysts. — Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."             |             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you             | inconvenience me with questions?"

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Just wondering, Just being the usual troll Considering one of the recent threads here it seems to be quite on topic. If you don’t want to read what WB posts – don’t read it.  Otherwise, to quote yourself,  "BUTT OUT". What are you? – The self appointed troll police in MHA?

She is being a NET NANNY and, according to the woman_whose_name_I_will_not_type, that is evil.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering, Actually, John Ashcroft had a rather severe case of gallstone pancreatitis. He was in the intensive care unit. It’s a very appropriate reminder of the potential REAL complications of untreated gallstone disease (gallstones treated with "liver flushes" count as "untreated," in my book). He could well have died. Gallstone pancreatitis has a very high recurrence rate (around 50% within a couple of months)–unless the gallbladder is removed. Consequently, the standard treatment is to support the patient with fluid, antibiotics, and intravenous nutrition until the pancreatitis settles down a bit (usually 4-8 days) and then remove the gallbladder. So gallstone induced pancreatitis can be a life threatening condition ?

Indeed. Although most cases of gallstone pancreatitis are mild and resolve without sequelae, 10-20% are serious, the overall mortality is around 4%. Mortality is markedly higher in those over 70, about four times higher. Look up Ranson’s criteria on the web to see the factors that influence survival in acute pancreatitis. They apply to gallstone pancreatitis, too: http://www.ncemi.org/cgi-ncemi/edecision.pl?TheCommand=Load&NewFile=r… ns_criteria_for_pancreatitis&BlankTop=1 Duly noted that the alties are suddenly and mysteriously silent on this subject.

Of course. — Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."             |             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you             | inconvenience me with questions?"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering, Actually, John Ashcroft had a rather severe case of gallstone pancreatitis. He was in the intensive care unit. It’s a very appropriate reminder of the potential REAL complications of untreated gallstone disease (gallstones treated with "liver flushes" count as "untreated," in my book).

It is a plot by the Republican branch of Evil Organized Medicine to make Hulda look bad! He could well have died. Gallstone pancreatitis has a very – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – high recurrence rate (around 50% within a couple of months)–unless the gallbladder is removed. Consequently, the standard treatment is to support the patient with fluid, antibiotics, and intravenous nutrition until the pancreatitis settles down a bit (usually 4-8 days) and then remove the gallbladder.

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Just wondering, Just being the usual troll

Considering one of the recent threads here it seems to be quite on topic. If you don’t want to read what WB posts – don’t read it.  Otherwise, to quote yourself,  "BUTT OUT". What are you? – The self appointed troll police in MHA? carabelli

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So gallstone induced pancreatitis can be a life threatening condition ?

yes … and it’s a nasty way to die. Tsu Dho Nimh — When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it’s a lot like politicians invoking morality and children – grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

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Just wondering,

Just being the usual troll

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering, Actually, John Ashcroft had a rather severe case of gallstone pancreatitis. He was in the intensive care unit. It’s a very appropriate reminder of the potential REAL complications of untreated gallstone disease (gallstones treated with "liver flushes" count as "untreated," in my book). He could well have died. Gallstone pancreatitis has a very high recurrence rate (around 50% within a couple of months)–unless the gallbladder is removed. Consequently, the standard treatment is to support the patient with fluid, antibiotics, and intravenous nutrition until the pancreatitis settles down a bit (usually 4-8 days) and then remove the gallbladder.

So gallstone induced pancreatitis can be a life threatening condition ? Duly noted that the alties are suddenly and mysteriously silent on this subject. Thanks Orac, WB

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Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering, WB

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Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering, WB

Read and learn.  Hulda is very specific regarding this.  Flushes will not work on Republicans. carabelli

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Just wondering why a gall bladder/liver flush was not the recommended treatment ? The news reports that he had gall stones, and the doctors removed his gallbladder. Why choose surgery when a simple flush would do ? Just wondering,

Actually, John Ashcroft had a rather severe case of gallstone pancreatitis. He was in the intensive care unit. It’s a very appropriate reminder of the potential REAL complications of untreated gallstone disease (gallstones treated with "liver flushes" count as "untreated," in my book). He could well have died. Gallstone pancreatitis has a very high recurrence rate (around 50% within a couple of months)–unless the gallbladder is removed. Consequently, the standard treatment is to support the patient with fluid, antibiotics, and intravenous nutrition until the pancreatitis settles down a bit (usually 4-8 days) and then remove the gallbladder. — Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."             |             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you             | inconvenience me with questions?"

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