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Hey those of Ravensong I’m sorry that these people are giving you what sounds like st*pid and insulting advice.. Fwiw it does seem very insensitive of them.. Typical cookie-c*tter advise that may work for a lot of people.. Personally, we also need people to look outside the box if they want to give us "usable" advise.. It is not something that we have come to expect.. Do we have the right to insist that they do? I don’t think so! If they want to be our friend though.. Yea… a little bit of sensitivity while they are trying to cram us into a box… isn’t too much to ask! I do hope that the bl**ding stuff clears up.. (the medical system down there frightens the berjeevers outa us) J/cwhose outside the box advise would be to jump on those freelance ideas… we’ve got confidence in yous ….diane!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money. and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid. we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying. nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been. and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains. That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money.  and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid.   we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying.   nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been.   and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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For what it’s worth – I think your father and your friend are wrong. You can only work when you can work – and anyway – it isn’t any of their business. It’s your business. It’s not even affecting them, so that makes it even less their business. Now a word to diane: I can’t believe how strong you were for so long, working and taking care of yourself/ves for countless years – ever so much more than we have ever done. We have never done that. Never. You have done it for years. Personally, I think the way the place at work dealt with everything, there is room for some kind of civil action – but I don’t have a clue as to what the law and the circumstances really are, so don’t mind me. But – that place behaved really strangely in some ways, over a long period – and certainly, the effect on you was detrimental. My mind is not working right. I can’t wake up today, and I just had another one of those disturbing experiences I am having more and more lately, where I truly believe my son or husb. has come and asked me to get up for some particular reason, and they haven’t. (I also have dreamed that the telephone has rung, and I have had a conversation.) Here is something funny. Maybe you will think it’s funny. I was dreaming something – and I’ve taken to speaking things out loud sometimes, even when the dream isn’t distressing. So last night I think I must have been looking at the ingredients in different boxes of cereals or something or other – and on the third one I must have read out loud a small portion of them and said, "So, see, it *doesn’t have (x – ?) in it after all." My husb. shoved me (to shut me up), and I woke up enough to realize that, but not enough to come completely out of the dream, because I muttered, "Well, it doesn’t." Hee. If you go to the ER, they are required to see you, regardless of ability to pay – at least, that’s what the signs in our ER say. If you go to a hosp. that is run by a charity org. (you know, like our local hosp. is run by an order of n*ns – it’s called B*n S*cours – and I know there are similar hosps. in your area) that’s even more the case. I am very worried about the bl**ding because it is accompanied by abdominal pain, and you have had the abdominal pain before – I went through a similar thing. It turned out that it was important that I be seen. Urgently important. One of the things they tell EMTs in training is that "acute abdomen" (a belly that hurts a lot or is very tender to the touch) is a reason to be seen by an MD, because there are so many things it could be. W/you, we already know there are certain problems. If you go to the ER w/out insurance (or even w/insurance) they have you sign a thing saying you are responsible for payment. You and I will talk in private about that. The worry about not being able to pay is *not* a good reason to keep yourself from seeking treatment, and I’ll explain why. One step at at time. Get the body better. Essential. Then think about work. If you can work, you can. If you can’t, you can’t. It’s hard. Maybe it’s better to think in terms of – I am not working right now because it is detrimental to my health at this point. Not "I can’t." You "can" – because you were. But get the body better first. Do whatever you have to. Go to the MD. Go to the ER. Worry about the bill later. Talk to me about the bill. Get the body better. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money.  and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid.   we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying.   nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been.   and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                    - Katy, of Ravensong

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sorry people have been so thoughtless, do what you need to do, you know yourself better than other people, and you know best how ready you are for a job.  sorry youre also feeling so bad right now, I hope things start to feel better soon,  take care, frankii xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money. and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid. we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying. nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been. and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains. That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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sorry people have been so thoughtless, do what you need to do, you know yourself better than other people, and you know best how ready you are for a job.  sorry youre also feeling so bad right now, I hope things start to feel better soon,  take care,

yur nice.  everything hurts but we feel better today.  no stupid people talking to us oor anything.  no. us "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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hi I’m sorry that these people are giving you what sounds like st*pid and insulting advice.. Fwiw it does seem very insensitive of them..

yes Typical cookie-c*tter advise that may work for a lot of people.. Personally, we also need people to look outside the box if they want to give us "usable" advise.. It is not something that we have come to expect.. Do we have the right to insist that they do? I don’t think so!

no we think they should just be quiet and not talk to us at all, speshly if we already told them it hurted us when they did that. If they want to be our friend though.. Yea… a little bit of sensitivity while they are trying to cram us into a box… isn’t too much to ask! I do hope that the bl**ding stuff clears up.. (the medical system down there frightens the berjeevers outa us) J/cwhose outside the box advise would be to jump on those freelance ideas… we’ve got confidence in yous ….diane!!

well diane is pretty smart and we think she can do wahtever she wants but she isnt too sure. ravensong people "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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For what it’s worth – I think your father and your friend are wrong. You can only work when you can work – and anyway – it isn’t any of their business. It’s your business. It’s not even affecting them, so that makes it even less their business.

oh well yes not any of their business.  but the boy is our friend and diane says he is a good person to be a friend and she wants him to understand.   Now a word to diane: I can’t believe how strong you were for so long, working and taking care of yourself/ves for countless years – ever so much more than we have ever done. We have never done that. Never. You have done it for years.

thank you.  very much. Personally, I think the way the place at work dealt with everything, there is room for some kind of civil action – but I don’t have a clue as to what the law and the circumstances really are, so don’t mind me. But – that place behaved really strangely in some ways, over a long period – and certainly, the effect on you was detrimental.

bad.  very bad.  we hurt.  but we are better. My mind is not working right. I can’t wake up today, and I just had another one of those disturbing experiences I am having more and more lately, where I truly believe my son or husb. has come and asked me to get up for some particular reason, and they haven’t. (I also have dreamed that the telephone has rung, and I have had a conversation.)

oh we are dreaming in different languages. Here is something funny. Maybe you will think it’s funny. I was dreaming something – and I’ve taken to speaking things out loud sometimes, even when the dream isn’t distressing. So last night I think I must have been looking at the ingredients in different boxes of cereals or something or other – and on the third one I must have read out loud a small portion of them and said, "So, see, it *doesn’t have (x – ?) in it after all." My husb. shoved me (to shut me up), and I woke up enough to realize that, but not enough to come completely out of the dream, because I muttered, "Well, it doesn’t." Hee.

diane screamed in her sleep the other night.  that’s a bad thing because there’s a boy that lives under us.  well, he didn’t come upstairs, but we were afraid he might call the police. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you go to the ER, they are required to see you, regardless of ability to pay – at least, that’s what the signs in our ER say. If you go to a hosp. that is run by a charity org. (you know, like our local hosp. is run by an order of n*ns – it’s called B*n S*cours – and I know there are similar hosps. in your area) that’s even more the case. I am very worried about the bl**ding because it is accompanied by abdominal pain, and you have had the abdominal pain before – I went through a similar thing. It turned out that it was important that I be seen. Urgently important. One of the things they tell EMTs in training is that "acute abdomen" (a belly that hurts a lot or is very tender to the touch) is a reason to be seen by an MD, because there are so many things it could be. W/you, we already know there are certain problems. If you go to the ER w/out insurance (or even w/insurance) they have you sign a thing saying you are responsible for payment. You and I will talk in private about that. The worry about not being able to pay is *not* a good reason to keep yourself from seeking treatment, and I’ll explain why. One step at at time. Get the body better. Essential. Then think about work. If you can work, you can. If you can’t, you can’t. It’s hard. Maybe it’s better to think in terms of – I am not working right now because it is detrimental to my health at this point. Not "I can’t." You "can" – because you were. But get the body better first. Do whatever you have to. Go to the MD. Go to the ER. Worry about the bill later. Talk to me about the bill. Get the body better.

ok.  we have to see the lady tomorrow.  the lady that made lizzie white.  and everything hurts, but maybe she’ll make it better.   bye. us – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Beauty. and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money.  and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid.   we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying.   nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been.   and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains. That always makes me feel better."                                    - Katy, of Ravensong

"If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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we saved this to tell you that we are happy you wrote to us, and that like your name very, very much.   mostly that we like your name very much. we open the message and read it when we are sad. us I am sorry that you are having such a rough time. You are right a job that is not wanted can make you feel worse. I also understand the "no money thing "too. It is hard to make the right decision on exactly what to do. Crying is good to do it helps get out bad feelings. I know that you are feeling badly. I hope that you will get a job that you can handle soon. dancingwhispur

"If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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I am sorry that you are having such a rough time. You are right a job that is not wanted can make you feel worse. I also understand the "no money thing "too. It is hard to make the right decision on exactly what to do. Crying is good to do it helps get out bad feelings. I know that you are feeling badly. I hope that you will get a job that you can handle soon. dancingwhispur

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and now we can’t stop crying again.  some people keep telling us that the most important thing is that we get a job right now, and that it doesn’t matter what kind of job it is, because a job is a job so long as it pays us money. and we wish we could tell these people how very stupid and uncaring they sound to us, and how insulting their constant words are, because we are trying so hard to get over this very bad situation, and we are trying to do it in a way that is not hurting to us now and won’t be hurting to us later. this is what we think.  we are going to get money from the work place that will help us live a little while while we look for a job that we don’t hate as much as we hated the last one.  if we got a job we hated right now, we would be sad and mad and not get any better.  and every job is not the same, else we would have been able to stay in our last one.  sheesh.  people are stupid. we are very afraid, well…diane is very afraid that she won’t be able to work full-time at a job now.  she’s feeling badbadbad and stupid and useless and worthless.  she just wants to d*e and for everything to be over.  she says that she doesn’t even want to figure out about the freelance stuff because she’s afraid that won’t work either and then she knows she’ll be stupid. and well, our dad won’t keep his mouth shut, and we kinda expect him to be like that, but now our really good friend keeps talking and not understanding and so diane says we can’t talk to him anymore because he hurt her really bad tonight. and she and us can’t stop the crying. nobody sees the good things we do and the hard places we’ve been. and now we can’t stop the bl**ding either, and the nurses at our doctor think it’s ok.  but it doesn’t matter anyway because we don’t have any money diane says, so we’ll have to wait anyways. "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains. That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we saved this to tell you that we are happy you wrote to us, and that like your name very, very much.   mostly that we like your name very much. we open the message and read it when we are sad. us I am sorry that you are having such a rough time. You are right a job that is not wanted can make you feel worse. I also understand the "no money thing "too. It is hard to make the right decision on exactly what to do. Crying is good to do it helps get out bad feelings. I know that you are feeling badly. I hope that you will get a job that you can handle soon. dancingwhispur "If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

I am glad that I could help you  feel a little better. I had to change my name around a little but it is still me. dancingwhispur. Take care ok. whispurdance aka. dancingwhispur

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ooops sorry for some reason sent this to wrong thread, will try and repost, ‘doh! frankii xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that Weltschmerz is a very common feeling all around the world at the moment.  There is a lot of sadness at some of the politics right now. Sighs that these supposedly intelligent people in positions of power cant come to some resolution other than conflict.  It makes me sad too, frustrated and tired.  Tired of hearing the same old news in different words, year after year.  People fighting over land, rel*g*on(i), etc.  And to the rest of us, we just cant understand why everyone can’t just follow their hearts peacefully, without any of this.  So at a point you have to realise that if theres nothing you can do about it, that maybe you should just step back from it and focus on the little miracles we can manage. Sharing with friends, making my son smile, curling up with one of the cats all helps me.  We have to hold onto the things we can control, that we can make happen and feel good about those, and leave the big things to the big ppl who we hope will make the right decisions. Use the newspapers for cat litter, turn the TV onto the music channel and let the world continue ticking along without that extra bit of stress and sadness from us.  Just my thoughts. Oh and meanwhile, MORE german words! heheh, it was nice to have to think for a second back to my german lessons at school and remember just what that would mean hehee, Tchuss, Frankii (apologies for missing umlaut, dunno where the key is heheh) xxx

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I think that Weltschmerz is a very common feeling all around the world at the moment.  There is a lot of sadness at some of the politics right now. Sighs that these supposedly intelligent people in positions of power cant come to some resolution other than conflict.  It makes me sad too, frustrated and tired.  Tired of hearing the same old news in different words, year after year.  People fighting over land, rel*g*on(i), etc.  And to the rest of us, we just cant understand why everyone can’t just follow their hearts peacefully, without any of this.  So at a point you have to realise that if theres nothing you can do about it, that maybe you should just step back from it and focus on the little miracles we can manage. Sharing with friends, making my son smile, curling up with one of the cats all helps me.  We have to hold onto the things we can control, that we can make happen and feel good about those, and leave the big things to the big ppl who we hope will make the right decisions. Use the newspapers for cat litter, turn the TV onto the music channel and let the world continue ticking along without that extra bit of stress and sadness from us.  Just my thoughts. Oh and meanwhile, MORE german words! heheh, it was nice to have to think for a second back to my german lessons at school and remember just what that would mean hehee, Tchuss, Frankii (apologies for missing umlaut, dunno where the key is heheh) xxx

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