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Deviated septum

admin — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:00:00 +0000

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Too Old??? medicare pays for alternate therapy for chronic health problems. If Medicare does not approve of a procedure the HMO does not either. shirley

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Probably that they don’t care much about my deviated septum because they are pretty sure it’s not related to my primary problem, which is neck and shoulder pain. This week i went to the doctor and my goal was to ask for the required paper to see a physician. He did not want to and gave me a prescription instead. I tried to explain him that i want to fix the problem, not mask it with pain killers. It’s frustrating. He did not realize that i’ve been suffering for many years, that my condition is serious to the point of quitting my quality job. But don’t get me wrong i’m not complaining about doctors, i appreciate their services. They must see so many people every day that they can’t feel every patient distress correctly. It’s normal. Back to my problem, i went to see another doctor today. He gave me a paper to see an ENT about the deviated septum, good news. About the neck and shoulder pain i was told to make exercices and watch my posture at computer. Looks like the solution to a complicated problem might be simple. Thanks for reading! Matt

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My husband has a deviated septum. He is a Senior and Medicare would not pay for it. They pay for nasal meds with steroids in it. Its been 10 years now. shirley

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:03:07 -0400, thebagladyshirley…@webtv.net (Shirley Thebaglady) wrote: >My husband has a deviated septum. He is a Senior and Medicare would not >pay for it.

*If* he needs and wants the surgery (after a couple of opinions at least), he should appeal. You will probably find that the policy is along the following lines: "Aetna considers septoplasty medically necessary when any of the following clinical criteria is met: 1. Septal deviation causing continuous nasal airway obstruction resulting in nasal breathing difficulty not responding to appropriate medical therapy; or 2. Documented recurrent sinusitis felt to be due to a deviated septum not relieved by appropriate medical and antibiotic therapy; or …….." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->They pay for nasal meds with steroids in > it. Its been 10 years now.

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My Hubbys nose seems to close up at night and he cannot breath through his nose. He elevates his head at night now and uses Rhinacort so he does not get nasal infections` anymore. His doctor that did the fungal surgery appealed to Medicare but they still said no. shirley

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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:56:24 -0400, thebagladyshirley…@webtv.net (Shirley Thebaglady) wrote: >My Hubbys nose seems to close up at night and he cannot breath through >his nose. >He elevates his head at night now and uses Rhinacort so he does not get >nasal infections` anymore. >His doctor that did the fungal surgery appealed to Medicare but they >still said no.

On what grounds?

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"Matt" wrote in message

news:1121298246.889868.66530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… >I had constant shoulder, neck, jaw and eye pain for more than 10 years, > mostly on right side. Also my right nostril is often congested for no > reason (no nasal discharge) and i get frequent nosebleeds on the left > side during winter. I was told by two doctors that i have deviated > septum, and this is the cause of my congestion/nosebleeds. Also had > scans for my sinuses, they are clear. They don’t seem to care much > about it. > However, could a deviated septum cause severe muscle pain down to the > shoulder? The facial pain and pain behind the eyes is realistic, but > what about neck and shoulder? I don’t think this is realistic, but i > wish it is! I would not hesitate to have a surgery done then. > Hoping to find answers to run away from hell. Thank you.

Unfortunately, as a doctor I can’t give advice on the Internet regarding your medical problem, but I would advise you to see a different doctor. Several things come to mind which haven’t been pursued by the doctors you’ve seen so far. You could either start with a primary care physician (FP or IM), or go straight to a neurologist. This problem of doctors not seeming to care is pervasive. It results from declining reimbursement rates of insurance companies (which take their lead from Medicare) for primary care physicians, and the consequent need to see lots of patients every day (15 minutes per patient seems to be the best you can do nowadays and still stay in business). However, ultimately the problem is with the individual physicians, who need to find a way to practice within the constraints of the system and still give their patients good care. My approach is to ask patients to come back frequently. The down sides to this approach are (1) the patient has to be lots of co-pays for lots of visits, and (2) you can’t get everything done right now that you’d like to get done. But I see no better solution. There’s really no excuse for a doctor not seeming to care, in my opinion.

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On 13 Jul 2005 16:44:06 -0700, "Matt" wrote: >I had constant shoulder, neck, jaw and eye pain for more than 10 years, >mostly on right side. Also my right nostril is often congested for no >reason (no nasal discharge) and i get frequent nosebleeds on the left >side during winter. I was told by two doctors that i have deviated >septum, and this is the cause of my congestion/nosebleeds. Also had >scans for my sinuses, they are clear

That part is good news but have you had the CT scan looked at personally by a sinus surgery specailist who also examined you? Sometimes things are subtle. >However, could a deviated septum cause severe muscle pain down to the >shoulder? The facial pain and pain behind the eyes is realistic, but >what about neck and shoulder? I don’t think this is realistic, but i >wish it is! I would not hesitate to have a surgery done then.

I do not know about that part – I have my doubts – but I suspect Dr. Grossan or others may have a comment.. Some of it may not be sinus-nasal in origin. Even if you are just looking at a possible minor septal correction I would sugest only considering having a very experienced sinus surgeon (e.g at a major medcial center) do it or give an opinion on it..

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I had constant shoulder, neck, jaw and eye pain for more than 10 years, mostly on right side. Also my right nostril is often congested for no reason (no nasal discharge) and i get frequent nosebleeds on the left side during winter. I was told by two doctors that i have deviated septum, and this is the cause of my congestion/nosebleeds. Also had scans for my sinuses, they are clear. They don’t seem to care much about it. However, could a deviated septum cause severe muscle pain down to the shoulder? The facial pain and pain behind the eyes is realistic, but what about neck and shoulder? I don’t think this is realistic, but i wish it is! I would not hesitate to have a surgery done then. Hoping to find answers to run away from hell. Thank you. Matt

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admin — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:00:00 +0000

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Okay, I got a message from the doctor’s office. I have minor arrythmia but it’s "nothing to worry about and no treatment is necessary unless it continues to bother you". Uh… it’s been bothering me, that’s why I went to the doctor! I called back and left a message because this sure does sound ambiguous to me. More later… Jill — I used to have a handle on life…but it broke off.

It does sound like this definitely *has* been bothering you (shoulder pain, lack of sleep, etc.). However, it might give you a bit of comfort to know that my mother was first diagnosed with arrhythmia when she was in high school. She is now 89 years old and has never had a bit of "heart" difficulty. She would sometimes be aware of something that felt like heart palpitatons, but that was annoying rather than dangerous. There were also a couple of instances in her life was doctors delayed surgery because they detected the arrhythmia and wanted to be sure that she was a suitable candidate for surgery. In each case, she was cleared and had the surgery (with no problems) a day or two later. Perhaps this type of event is what your doctor referred to — but if so, he needs to be more forthcoming about your other symptoms. MaryL

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I was just going to ask how you are feeling. Purrs continuing to come your way. Winnie

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Admittedly, I might have a different perspective, but I simply wouldn’t accept not knowing WHICH arrythmia, and how it is being judged minor or not. Now, there’s no question that some arrythmias are, in any form, emergencies. There are others, however, that might just happen every so many beats, and it’s useful to know how frequent the events were now — so that if you have problems in the future, there’s a basis for comparison. It would seem appropriate to sit down for a discussion with a cardiologist, reviewing your symptoms and making a decision whether the arrythmia is causing them or not. A wise physician once said to a group of young doctors, busily looking up lab values, "Gentlemen, treat the patient, not the chart. The chart isn’t sick." Interpretation of tests can go both ways. They can point to disease that needs to be monitored, and can also cause worry over something that truly is not clinically significant. Again, it’s hard to judge without seeing the report. In my own case, I was having significant angina, which did not show up on 12-lead basic EKG, treadmill EKG, or on Holter, because electrically, my heart was essentially normal. It took nuclear scanning to define the problem. Once that showed something, I moved fairly quickly to cardiac catheterization/angiography and then to an angioplasty. One of the major factors in this was having a cardiologist who knew and trusted me, and vice versa, and listened when I said "Michael, I don’t care if the ST segment is isoelectric. I’m having a classic clinical presentation of unstable angina. Keep looking, and observe that medical (drug) therapy isn’t working." I’m really not trying to be alarming, just to point out that cardiology is not cut and dried, and the cardiologist has to treat the patient, not the test.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I got a message from the doctor’s office. I have minor arrythmia but it’s "nothing to worry about and no treatment is necessary unless it continues to bother you". Uh… it’s been bothering me, that’s why I went to the doctor! I called back and left a message because this sure does sound ambiguous to me. More later… Jill Admittedly, I might have a different perspective, but I simply wouldn’t accept not knowing WHICH arrythmia, and how it is being judged minor or not. Now, there’s no question that some arrythmias are, in any form, emergencies. There are others, however, that might just happen every so many beats, and it’s useful to know how frequent the events were now — so that if you have problems in the future, there’s a basis for comparison. It would seem appropriate to sit down for a discussion with a cardiologist, reviewing your symptoms and making a decision whether the arrythmia is causing them or not. A wise physician once said to a group of young doctors, busily looking up lab values, "Gentlemen, treat the patient, not the chart. The chart isn’t sick." Interpretation of tests can go both ways. They can point to disease that needs to be monitored, and can also cause worry over something that truly is not clinically significant. Again, it’s hard to judge without seeing the report. In my own case, I was having significant angina, which did not show up on 12-lead basic EKG, treadmill EKG, or on Holter, because electrically, my heart was essentially normal. It took nuclear scanning to define the problem. Once that showed something, I moved fairly quickly to cardiac catheterization/angiography and then to an angioplasty. One of the major factors in this was having a cardiologist who knew and trusted me, and vice versa, and listened when I said "Michael, I don’t care if the ST segment is isoelectric. I’m having a classic clinical presentation of unstable angina. Keep looking, and observe that medical (drug) therapy isn’t working." I’m really not trying to be alarming, just to point out that cardiology is not cut and dried, and the cardiologist has to treat the patient, not the test.

I am scheduled to go in and talk with my doctor on Monday afternoon. He is not a cardiologist but I’m not willing to let them just say don’t worry about it. If I have to demand a referral to a cardiologist, so be it. Because whatever it is, whether it’s my heart causing the arm/shoulder pain or something as simple as a pinched nerve, I want to know and I want it treated. Period. Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I got a message from the doctor’s office. I have minor arrythmia but it’s "nothing to worry about and no treatment is necessary unless it continues to bother you". Uh… it’s been bothering me, that’s why I went to the doctor! I called back and left a message because this sure does sound ambiguous to me. More later… Jill Admittedly, I might have a different perspective, but I simply wouldn’t accept not knowing WHICH arrythmia, and how it is being judged minor or not. Now, there’s no question that some arrythmias are, in any form, emergencies. There are others, however, that might just happen every so many beats, and it’s useful to know how frequent the events were now — so that if you have problems in the future, there’s a basis for comparison. It would seem appropriate to sit down for a discussion with a cardiologist, reviewing your symptoms and making a decision whether the arrythmia is causing them or not. A wise physician once said to a group of young doctors, busily looking up lab values, "Gentlemen, treat the patient, not the chart. The chart isn’t sick." Interpretation of tests can go both ways. They can point to disease that needs to be monitored, and can also cause worry over something that truly is not clinically significant. Again, it’s hard to judge without seeing the report. In my own case, I was having significant angina, which did not show up on 12-lead basic EKG, treadmill EKG, or on Holter, because electrically, my heart was essentially normal. It took nuclear scanning to define the problem. Once that showed something, I moved fairly quickly to cardiac catheterization/angiography and then to an angioplasty. One of the major factors in this was having a cardiologist who knew and trusted me, and vice versa, and listened when I said "Michael, I don’t care if the ST segment is isoelectric. I’m having a classic clinical presentation of unstable angina. Keep looking, and observe that medical (drug) therapy isn’t working." I’m really not trying to be alarming, just to point out that cardiology is not cut and dried, and the cardiologist has to treat the patient, not the test. I am scheduled to go in and talk with my doctor on Monday afternoon. He is not a cardiologist but I’m not willing to let them just say don’t worry about it. If I have to demand a referral to a cardiologist, so be it. Because whatever it is, whether it’s my heart causing the arm/shoulder pain or something as simple as a pinched nerve, I want to know and I want it treated. Period.

Unless your primary physician is in a very large group practice, there may very well be a cardiologist already involved. These days, Holter recordings are analyzed by special-purpose computers that tend to be cost-justified only by cardiologists. In other words, just as if you had an X-ray taken and there would be a radiologist report, there’s probably a cardiologist’s report with the Holder interpretation.

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Jill, That is the best attitude to have when going in to talk to your doctor. You and your doctor are in a partnership regarding your health. Don’t be afraid to stand up for what you know and feel. Good luck! Diane

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Please let us know what the doctor says (is that what’s causing the shoulder pain, or is that from something else that *does* need to be treated?). Whatever it is, purrs that it stop bothering you. Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More later… Jill — I used to have a handle on life…but it broke off.

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admin — Mon, 04 Jul 2005 05:00:00 +0000

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Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself?

I wore one for a couple of days about 5 years ago. The leads connect to a small box that goes into a cloth holster with a shoulder strap. Chances are no events will occur while you are wearing it. It’s like your car not making the funny noise when you take it to the mechanic. Plenty of things besides the heart can cause shoulder pain. I hope it is nothing dangerous and that it is something you can treat effectively.

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Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? I wore one for a couple of days about 5 years ago. The leads connect to a small box that goes into a cloth holster with a shoulder strap. Chances are no events will occur while you are wearing it. It’s like your car not making the funny noise when you take it to the mechanic. Plenty of things besides the heart can cause shoulder pain. I hope it is nothing dangerous and that it is something you can treat effectively.

That’s what my doctor likened it to (the mechanic thing). But apparently the technology is such now that if I feel something arrythmic I can push a button and it will "mark" that for more close examination. Of course it won’t happen when I’m wearing it. LOL Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? I’m trying to figure out what to wear and even though I have some loose clothing it’s not so loose that it won’t be evident there’s a box taped to my chest if that’s what they are going to do! It didn’t occur to me to ask when they scheduled me to come in tomorrow and they were closed today. My shoulder pain is lessened but that is probably due to the lidocaine patches I’ve been cutting up and putting on it. But now the "tingle" is going even further down my arm. This is all very disconcerting. Jill — I used to have a handle on life…but it broke off. Yep, shoulder harness with a body strap as I recall. A real bitch to sleep with. LOL It’s a bitch to sleep with this nagging pain anyway! I’ll be taking valerian root tonight for sure. And maybe I’ll go pour a glass of wine… Jill

*Every* night I take: 3 valerian root capsules (herbal for sleep), 1 melatonin (herbal for sleep), 2 Tylenol PMs (OTC for pain and sleep), 2 Zanaflex (prescription muscle relaxers), 2 Sudapheds (OTC for sinus), and 1 Ambien (prescription sleep aid). And I’m lucky if I sleep a solid 4 hours!!!! Fibromyalgia is *so* much fun! Hugs, CatNipped

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? I’m trying to figure out what to wear and even though I have some loose clothing it’s not so loose that it won’t be evident there’s a box taped to my chest if that’s what they are going to do! It didn’t occur to me to ask when they scheduled me to come in tomorrow and they were closed today. My shoulder pain is lessened but that is probably due to the lidocaine patches I’ve been cutting up and putting on it. But now the "tingle" is going even further down my arm. This is all very disconcerting. Jill — I used to have a handle on life…but it broke off. Yep, shoulder harness with a body strap as I recall. A real bitch to sleep with.

LOL It’s a bitch to sleep with this nagging pain anyway! I’ll be taking valerian root tonight for sure. And maybe I’ll go pour a glass of wine… Jill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? Jill Yep, shoulder harness with a body strap as I recall. A real bitch to sleep with. LOL It’s a bitch to sleep with this nagging pain anyway! I’ll be taking valerian root tonight for sure. And maybe I’ll go pour a glass of wine… Jill *Every* night I take: 3 valerian root capsules (herbal for sleep), 1 melatonin (herbal for sleep), 2 Tylenol PMs (OTC for pain and sleep), 2 Zanaflex (prescription muscle relaxers), 2 Sudapheds (OTC for sinus), and 1 Ambien (prescription sleep aid). And I’m lucky if I sleep a solid 4 hours!!!! Fibromyalgia is *so* much fun! Hugs, CatNipped

Good lord, Lori! I’d never wake up in the morning if I did that. {{{{{{{PURRRS}}}}}}} I can’t take Melatonin unless I absolutely have no reason to get up the next morning. It leaves me so groggy I can’t function. Ditto Tylenol (or any other) "PM" over-the-counter analgesic or just plain OTC sleep aid. Ambien worked for me but they rarely have it in "samples" and I can’t afford it from the pharmacy. Valerian usually works; I might have to make it 3 caps instead of 2 tonight. The chamomile tea Tweed sent also helps me relax, but I don’t drink tea every night. I’ll have to search out another box in a month or so, though. I love the taste. And it can also be used in a hot bath as a soothing herbal Jill

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Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing?

I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself?

Wherever convenient — on a shoulder strap, belt clip, or even in a large enough pocket. I’m trying to figure out what to wear and even though I have some loose clothing it’s not so loose that it won’t be evident there’s a box taped to my chest if that’s what they are going to do!

No, the box itself doesn’t go on the chest. The leads are 3-4 feet long, so you are quite flexible in where you put it. It didn’t occur to me to ask when they scheduled me to come in tomorrow and they were closed today.

Change your picture a little. The box doesn’t go on your chest, just five or so electrodes (depending on the monitor). If it’s of modern manufacture, the box is about the size and weight of a CD player. I’ve usually taken the long strap, put it around my neck, and ran it under a sweatshirt or the like, letting it hang at the waist. Some monitors also come with a belt clip, which, if you have shoulder pain, might be a better idea for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My shoulder pain is lessened but that is probably due to the lidocaine patches I’ve been cutting up and putting on it. But now the "tingle" is going even further down my arm. This is all very disconcerting. Jill

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Yep, shoulder harness with a body strap as I recall. A real bitch to sleep with.

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Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? I’m trying to figure out what to wear and even though I have some loose clothing it’s not so loose that it won’t be evident there’s a box taped to my chest if that’s what they are going to do! It didn’t occur to me to ask when they scheduled me to come in tomorrow and they were closed today. My shoulder pain is lessened but that is probably due to the lidocaine patches I’ve been cutting up and putting on it. But now the "tingle" is going even further down my arm. This is all very disconcerting. Jill

I haven’t ever worn one of these monitors, but, if I remember correctly, they come with a shoulder strap. — PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." — Hypatia of Alexandria

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know where they will attach this Holter monitor thing? I know the leads go on my chest but what about the box itself? I’m trying to figure out what to wear and even though I have some loose clothing it’s not so loose that it won’t be evident there’s a box taped to my chest if that’s what they are going to do! It didn’t occur to me to ask when they scheduled me to come in tomorrow and they were closed today. My shoulder pain is lessened but that is probably due to the lidocaine patches I’ve been cutting up and putting on it. But now the "tingle" is going even further down my arm. This is all very disconcerting. Jill I haven’t ever worn one of these monitors, but, if I remember correctly, they come with a shoulder strap.

That would be good! I looked for info online but all I can find are descriptions of how it works, not how you "wear" it Thanks, John. Jill

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i have a crush on my personal trainer

admin — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:00:00 +0000

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I will not be able to suggest any exercises long distance, but one suggestion I have right now is to avoid OTC anti-inflammatory drugs before doing your workouts (after is fine). Then why do they shoot ppl up with cortisone pre rehab? Rehab and individual exercise without a diagnosis are two different animals.

You didn’t answer the question. Why do they shoot up cortisone before rehab or for that matter, before exercise? We see this all the time in amateur and pro athletes.

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What’s wrong with the knees?

Painful on movement, particularly lateral movement. Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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Does anyone know of some non-weight bearing knee exercises I should be doing while watching TV so as to strengthen my knees for their weight bearing task? Yes. I know I should be striving to put less weight on them. It would be helpful to know where specifically is your knee hurting and what movements (sitting, standing, kneeling, squatting, climbing

stairs, etc.) Kicking movements, particularly sideways, as in breast stroke, are particularly painful. causes the pain. Do your knees swell up?

No. Has your doctor had x-rays done on your knees (preferably at a few angles) and, if so, was he able to diagnose any joint condition? Has your gait been analyzed by your doctor or a physical therapist? ISTM the best course of action would be for your doctor to refer you to a physical therapist.

No joint condition visible on x-rays. Weight related. I will not be able to suggest any exercises long distance, but one suggestion I have right now is to avoid OTC anti-inflammatory drugs before doing your workouts (after is fine).

Yes. That much has been impressed on me by my doctor. He is concerned about the knees in terms of the fact that exercise has improved my shoulder joints but it makes my knee joints worse. I do need to actually see him. Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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Rehab and individual exercise without a diagnosis are two different animals.

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That’s an entirely different scenario. You had a regimen overseen by a professional. Ppl do at home PT and at gym PT all the time. It even may be absolutely necessary if your insurance doesn’t cover or you can’t get to the PT’s office. I often had client/athletes who were in some stage of PT and we either did workarounds or implementations. PT comes as a prescription from a physician. I have never seen a prescription that said "all PT at the gym". That becomes a client preference or necessity. Although much of what the physical therapist was having me do was contridictory to what personal trainers would recommend for proper workout techniques. It was a rather enlightening experience.

Should have been and points out the significant differences in PT and strength training in general. These are different mindsets and those trains rarely meet, ime. However, Pts love to get their gear in strength gyms so we see ab boards, balancers, Swiss balls, tubing and all other kinds of crap on the strength room floor parodying being necessary, novel or required. It’s a bunch of hoo-hoo.

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Excuse me for interrupting but wth are you doing in a gym without getting completely rehabbed first?

Excuse me… last year while being rehabbed for my knee problems my physical therapist actually recommended me to continue at the gym. Although I worked with them to alter my workout so that no further damage would be done and that what I did do would compliment my PT. Although much of what the physical therapist was having me do was contridictory to what personal trainers would recommend for proper workout techniques. It was a rather enlightening experience.

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I have to admit the reason why I even considered continuting my training sessions is because working out with a trainer simply makes the time go faster and the overall gym experience more enjoyable.

Then go for it.

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. One hour of training each week isn’t going to do much for you.

Entirely depends one your level of strength and what is accomplished on that once a week regimen.

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I will not be able to suggest any exercises long distance, but one suggestion I have right now is to avoid OTC anti-inflammatory drugs before doing your workouts (after is fine).

Then why do they shoot ppl up with cortisone pre rehab?

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I have joint issues. I’m in the gym so that I can be rehabbed.

You’re gym have a staff or visiting physio or PT? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the most part I’m gentle with myself (probably too gentle, I’m a sissy). When my shoulder aches I have to remind myself that a month ago I’d periodically shriek with pain when I moved it and I was medicating for pain every few days. I haven’t needed to medicate or shriek for two weeks now. The gym is paying off already. The shoulder pain is good pain and must be worked through. The knee pain ….. Does anyone know of some non-weight bearing knee exercises I should be doing while watching TV so as to strengthen my knees for their weight bearing task? Yes. I know I should be striving to put less weight on them.

What’s wrong with the knees?

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The knee pain ….. Does anyone know of some non-weight bearing knee exercises I should be doing while watching TV so as to strengthen my knees for their weight bearing task? Yes. I know I should be striving to put less weight on them.

It would be helpful to know where specifically is your knee hurting and what movements (sitting, standing, kneeling, squatting, climbing stairs, etc.) causes the pain. Do your knees swell up? Has your doctor had x-rays done on your knees (preferably at a few angles) and, if so, was he able to diagnose any joint condition? Has your gait been analyzed by your doctor or a physical therapist? ISTM the best course of action would be for your doctor to refer you to a physical therapist. I will not be able to suggest any exercises long distance, but one suggestion I have right now is to avoid OTC anti-inflammatory drugs before doing your workouts (after is fine).

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Excuse me for interrupting but wth are you doing in a gym without getting completely rehabbed first?

I have joint issues. I’m in the gym so that I can be rehabbed. For the most part I’m gentle with myself (probably too gentle, I’m a sissy). When my shoulder aches I have to remind myself that a month ago I’d periodically shriek with pain when I moved it and I was medicating for pain every few days. I haven’t needed to medicate or shriek for two weeks now. The gym is paying off already. The shoulder pain is good pain and must be worked through. The knee pain ….. Does anyone know of some non-weight bearing knee exercises I should be doing while watching TV so as to strengthen my knees for their weight bearing task? Yes. I know I should be striving to put less weight on them. Moira, the Faerie Godmother Day seven of my new WOL 136.8kg/134.4kg/90kg (first goal)

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Trainers aren’t for motivation, they’re for tweaking your program making sure that you perform your lifts correctly, and also for certain kinds of exercises that cannot be done alone (i.e., medicine ball, boxing/sparing, etc). To use your trainer for "motivation", you’d have to be seeing him a whole lot more than once a week. One hour of training each week isn’t going to do much for you.

I think I’ll have to politely disagree with your point of view. Although I enjoy the burn in my major muscle groups after each session, I have to admit the reason why I even considered continuting my training sessions is because working out with a trainer simply makes the time go faster and the overall gym experience more enjoyable. While I don’t need that EVERYTIME i go to the gym, once a week, it definitely gives me something to look forward to. as for the cute trainer…well…that was just a passing thought. I was just psyched that I finally got to have a conversation with him…but really he’s not my type…:)

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lol I used a physical trainer 3xx a week for a year, but with a back problem switched to pilates reformer training. Doing both was actually making my back worse, so until I’m rehabbed.. I have switched to a lifting routine completely performed on a bosu or fit ball.. I’m also using therabands to improve shoulder stability.

Excuse me for interrupting but wth are you doing in a gym without getting completely rehabbed first?

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leg up, a 1.. The act of assisting someone, giving someone a boost. For example, Studying with Jane, who knows French history well, will give you a leg up for the final exam. This usage alludes to helping a person get on a horse by getting a foot in the stirrup. [First half of 1800s] 2.. A position of advantage, as in Because of the advertising campaign, we had a leg up on the competition.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Staying motivated is tough. With the new trainer you’ll have a leg up, so to speak. i know, right??? anyway, well, i’ve decided to keep my legs down. I know, not the fun choice, but i’m over it. well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

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excercises you can follow. It costs about $1000 for 20 training sessions at my gym. Since I plan to be losing weight for at least another…50 weeks, what am i to do? buy 50 training sessions just so I can have the motivation? i think all the talk about "motivation comes from within" on this forum has laid that question to rest.

Trainers aren’t for motivation, they’re for tweaking your program making sure that you perform your lifts correctly, and also for certain kinds of exercises that cannot be done alone (i.e., medicine ball, boxing/sparing, etc). I used a physical trainer 3xx a week for a year, but with a back problem switched to pilates reformer training. Doing both was actually making my back worse, so until I’m rehabbed I have switched to a lifting routine completely performed on a bosu or fit ball, and a lot of cable machine work after my reformer sessions. I’m also using therabands to improve shoulder stability. To use your trainer for "motivation", you’d have to be seeing him a whole lot more than once a week. One hour of training each week isn’t going to do much for you. FWIW. Barbara Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/

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Staying motivated is tough. With the new trainer you’ll have a leg up, so to speak.

i know, right??? anyway, well, i’ve decided to keep my legs down. I know, not the fun choice, but i’m over it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea… It is unethical for a trainer to date his trainee… so if you switch to him, don’t expect anything more than a professional relationship.

heh, from what I hear I shouldn’t expect anything less….but then again, i’m not really confident enough to proposition him. (not yet *wink*)

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea… Paying your trainer to spend time with you because you have a crush on him… I do not think it is a good deal.

i dunno. i feel like i’m paying for the company anyways. I mean sure they guide you through the excercises and they kill you, but it’s really more of a motivator than anything else. Like i said in a previous post, SHAPE magazine has pull-out index cards every month with gym excercises you can follow. It costs about $1000 for 20 training sessions at my gym. Since I plan to be losing weight for at least another…50 weeks, what am i to do? buy 50 training sessions just so I can have the motivation? i think all the talk about "motivation comes from within" on this forum has laid that question to rest. I can use that $2k towards my annual wardrobe budget — a better motivator.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea… No, it’s not a good idea. 1) If you like your current trainer, and are seeing the results you want, you should continue with her. Just cause this other trainer is hot, doesn’t mean he’ll train you as well.

he’s been there as long as she has and i know he’s a good trainer. I see him everytime i go to the gym, so he’s booked day all the time basically. 2) Trainers are like health care providers. If they have a professional relationship with you, they should not be having an intimate relationship with you.

yeah i was really just joking around. Are you kidding? i’m not going to renew my training session! those things are expensive and seriously, I don’t have anything i need to target yet, unless you count "fat rolls everywhere." and all the excercises my traininers guides me through now, well, i can do it on my own with a "SHAPE" magazine subscription. So if what you really want to do is date this guy, then you have ample opportunity to get to know him in the gym. And since he won’t be YOUR personal trainer, he’ll be free to go out with you if it turns out he’s as attracted to you and you are to him.

He is pretty hot and my trainer was nice enough to introduce us. We talked a little bit and I made him laugh several times, and vice versa. Altho I’m not hideously ugly, I’m not confident enough to date a physical trainer! So…we’ll see…maybe this will serve as extra motivation for me to visit the gym.

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Staying motivated is tough. With the new trainer you’ll have a leg up, so to speak.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

What’s interesting is the fact that you even asked this question. It defines you.

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

It is unethical for a trainer to date his trainee… so if you switch to him, don’t expect anything more than a professional relationship.

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

No, it’s not a good idea. 1) If you like your current trainer, and are seeing the results you want, you should continue with her. Just cause this other trainer is hot, doesn’t mean he’ll train you as well. 2) Trainers are like health care providers. If they have a professional relationship with you, they should not be having an intimate relationship with you. So if what you really want to do is date this guy, then you have ample opportunity to get to know him in the gym. And since he won’t be YOUR personal trainer, he’ll be free to go out with you if it turns out he’s as attracted to you and you are to him. Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/

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well, not my own trainer but her collegue. My training sessions are up for renewal and now i’m tempted to switch to him cuz he’s funny and hot…hmmm….wonder if this is a good idea…

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Comfort Strapp?

admin — Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:00:00 +0000

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yes, they are a little ‘boingy,’ but they do feel quite nice. Make sure to get the right length- try it on first if you can. m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – been using them for years and love them… i have one on my already light sadowsky and it makes it feel even more feather weight. its the only strap that i like to use… they have a little bit of stretch to them but it it is very little and it bounces right back….. love love love it Hi, I’m thinking of ordering one of this straps, I bought a leather padded strap a while ago, and while it was better than my old canvas Fender strap, the stitches on the sides also grab a little on my shoulder after some time. Does anyone have experience with this straps, are they really comfortable? Or other equally suitable for my Jazz copy and my 5 string? (5 string on the heavy side, jazz is even heavier…) Here is the site: http://www.comfortstrapp.com/ And the good thing is, I found those in Germany, they are sold by a luthier that makes really nice basses too called Marleux, if you don’t know, check it out: http://www.marleaux-bass.com/eng/ Thanks Chris Looks like it would be comfortable, I been using the levi padded strap, I like it very much. BR

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I have been using a Neotech bass strap for two years now. My Warwick is heaver than my other basses and this strap has helped quite a bit. – George http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=bass/s=specials/search/detail/b…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m thinking of ordering one of this straps, I bought a leather padded strap a while ago, and while it was better than my old canvas Fender strap, the stitches on the sides also grab a little on my shoulder after some time. Does anyone have experience with this straps, are they really comfortable? Or other equally suitable for my Jazz copy and my 5 string? (5 string on the heavy side, jazz is even heavier…) Here is the site: http://www.comfortstrapp.com/ And the good thing is, I found those in Germany, they are sold by a luthier that makes really nice basses too called Marleux, if you don’t know, check it out: http://www.marleaux-bass.com/eng/ Thanks Chris

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yes, they are a little ‘boingy,’ but they do feel quite nice. Make sure to get the right length- try it on first if you can. m

I’ve also been using them for years and the do make a big difference. I’ve got two of the 1st generation one size only ones that I had to break the stitching and dismantle at the ends to get ‘em short enough. Some guys have been very happy with this http://wassermanuniform.com/noashok.htm modified into a strap. I’m gonna order on for the bigass courier bag I carry my rigging gear for work in. Should have it in a couple of weeks. jeffb

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One of the most comforable straps I owned was one I made myself, out of a length of stout leather belt ‘blank’ about 44" in length, and nearly 3" in width; I bought this from a local anglers supply shop for about

ROLL CALL!!!

admin — Thu, 09 Sep 2004 05:00:00 +0000

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‘Here’! just been a combo of ‘busy and sick’ and ’sick and busy’ all summer long…… hugs to all, from ~Shelagh~ "Beverley" wrote in message

news:1v30d.9261$PK3.5045@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did ya’ll hear that??? > I was about to post a roll call but J did it. Unfortunately hers is buried > at the bottom under another heading!!! > Where the heck is everyone??? This newsgroup has been slow all summer but > lately it’s been so dead!!! To be honest right now I could not keep up > with > 100 posts a day but geez, people, please lets us know you are still alive > and kicking!! > I’ve got the County Fair coming up so I’m busier than a beehive trying to > get it all done. I went to the new Fair grounds today and the place was > one > big mud hole. OMG!!! How are we going to have a Fair under these > conditions??? Ivan had better blow itself out and not dump more water on > us > much less come near FL!! > Bev

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Hi it’s me Pigmet and I’m here! I have been busy however. I was playin Pirates for a while, but then I realized that I was not a pirate in my heart. I like givin things to people. Plus I don’t like hurricanes that are so strong that I blow away completely! So I will just be me, Pigmet, which is pretty great to be anyways. Mair is doin okay. She dropped back down to 10mg of pred after a burst to 30 mg. She’s havin just some mild shoulder pain today, along with some mental confusion. But I am helpin to remind her of things, and together we are doin okay. Now everybody think of Anti Beverley, cause she has a County Fair that she has to make, and this is a lot of work. I’m not big enough to really help, but I am big enough to send well-wishes. Well-wishes to all of you, Pigmet "Beverley" wrote in message

news:1v30d.9261$PK3.5045@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did ya’ll hear that??? > I was about to post a roll call but J did it. Unfortunately hers is buried > at the bottom under another heading!!! > Where the heck is everyone??? This newsgroup has been slow all summer but > lately it’s been so dead!!! To be honest right now I could not keep up with > 100 posts a day but geez, people, please lets us know you are still alive > and kicking!! > I’ve got the County Fair coming up so I’m busier than a beehive trying to > get it all done. I went to the new Fair grounds today and the place was one > big mud hole. OMG!!! How are we going to have a Fair under these > conditions??? Ivan had better blow itself out and not dump more water on us > much less come near FL!! > Bev

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Busy, mostly. And my personal life has gone to hell lately. Still trying to clean up the last of that mess. I believe things will be better in the end, but I’m really tired of the bullshit I’ve been having to deal with. The stress has been a drain, on top of moving. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert l…@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris See my CafePress Shops: http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/CafePress.html "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Busy, mostly. And my personal life has gone to hell lately. Still > trying to clean up the last of that mess. I believe things will be > better in the end, but I’m really tired of the bullshit I’ve been > having to deal with. The stress has been a drain, on top of moving.

Hello Lee, Thanks for taking the time to answer the roll call. I hope some things get better for you soon, J

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Mary Ann wrote: > Hi all! Haven’t been keeping track of the lupus news lately. Guess > I’ve been "hunkering down" too many times. Sure is stressful. "Charley" > missed us by 10 miles to the south and a "Frances’" tornado belt missed > us 7 miles to the north!..The third time worries me a little. Cookie > (dog) and Pearl (cat) are good indicators that a hurricane is on the way > again…… If I felt a little better I would have taken off for > Illinois, but really didn’t feel up to it. If I had done that the last > 2 times, I couldn’t have stopped midway because either hurricane would > have caught up with me!! Really makes life intereesting. My shutters > are all down, so I am prepared—again!!……. Gentle hugs to all. > Mary Ann..

Stay safe, hun, Hugs J

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BJ wrote: > I am here too. I agree, it has been very quiet around here. I keep meaning > to tell you that I think you and G clean up very nicely. What a lovely > picture of the two of you.

I’ll second that ! > The pain from the shingles is almost gone. The last of the lesions are > almost healed too. I am happy that is behind me. I have something else that > has to be handled. It isn’t serious, but I do have to go to the hospital on > the 27th to get that fixed. It has been a summer of one thing after another. > We all seem to manage in our own way, so I am muddling along.

Good to hear that the shingles is improving. Best wishes with the "fixing" on the 27th. Hugs BJ J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -janers wrote: > Since the biopsy came back NEGATIVE, I have been trying to get my body rid > of this chest, (RIB) pain and back on track, but it is taking me awhile. > Celebrex will kick in and then go from there, back to my walking machine > with high hopes. > We are also preparing for a trip to York Pennsylvania. Going to a motor > home rally and meet folks with motor homes like ours. Never been to one so > if this is too much, never again. We will be on our own but there is lots > to do and we, thankfully, do not have to do anything we can’t or won’t. > That is a nice part. > Then our DIL is due Oct now but they moved the due date up. NOW watch it > happend when we are on our way HOME . Then we will go to their area in > Ohio and stay at a RV park for a few days. Another baby to hold. heheheh > The Little one now is growing and doing ok but fighting intolerance to > forumula and haveing diarrhea all the time. even did with breast milk, now > daughter can not do that, dried up early.

The motor home rally sounds like fun, Janers. Hope the delivery timing works out for you. Hugs J

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Chaos Hill wrote: > Lurking off and on… keeping up as best I can…. but here…. hope all > you FL folks are ok and neighbors dry as well! > Doing pretty well lately, keeping busy in the yard/garden and contemplating > the universe. Autumnal changes in the weather have my internal barometer > acting up, but otherwise life is good. > Leslie

Aww another who’s affected by the barometer. Good to hear that you’re doing pretty good, despite that. It all started with the Harvest Moon, then the geese, there’s the most beautiful starry sky out there tonight. It’s awesome to see ourselves in terms of the universe (so tiny), yet so powerful (in terms of little bugs). [end "What is the meaning of life" rant] Hugs J

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Mair wrote: > Hi it’s me Pigmet and I’m here! > I have been busy however. I was playin Pirates for a while, but then I > realized that I was not a pirate in my heart. I like givin things to > people. Plus I don’t like hurricanes that are so strong that I blow away > completely! So I will just be me, Pigmet, which is pretty great to be > anyways. > Mair is doin okay. She dropped back down to 10mg of pred after a burst to > 30 mg. She’s havin just some mild shoulder pain today, along with some > mental confusion. But I am helpin to remind her of things, and together we > are doin okay.

Yep, you is pretty great to be… So happy to hear from Pigmet and know that both you and Mair are doing well. Hugs to you both, J

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Shelagh wrote: > ‘Here’! > just been a combo of ‘busy and sick’ and ’sick and busy’ > all summer long…… > hugs to all, > from ~Shelagh~

Good to hear from you, Shelagh, I heard that your province had a lot of (high) heat this year. I hope you feel some better soon. Hugs to you, J

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Beverley wrote: > I’ve got the County Fair coming up so I’m busier than a beehive trying to > get it all done. I went to the new Fair grounds today and the place was one > big mud hole. OMG!!! How are we going to have a Fair under these > conditions??? Ivan had better blow itself out and not dump more water on us > much less come near FL!!

oh ! oh! get your rubber boots out. Work hard (reverse psychology) Hugs Bev, I know you’ll get it done, but please take care of you, too, J

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I am checking in. Sorry haven’t posted in forever. Just started back up on my shots again after taking almost two months off due to this cantanous lupus flare or episode. Hope everyone is having a good summer. Melody aka Lassy

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Thanks J Sweet of you to check up on ‘all of us’ loopy loopers. Stay well yourself!! Take good care of you and *not only just cause you are ‘needed’ here !! Hugs from ~Shelagh~ "J" wrote in message

news:4142DA6D.E456191F@execulink.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Shelagh wrote: >> ‘Here’! >> just been a combo of ‘busy and sick’ and ’sick and busy’ >> all summer long…… >> hugs to all, >> from ~Shelagh~ > Good to hear from you, Shelagh, > I heard that your province had a lot of (high) heat this year. > I hope you feel some better soon. > Hugs to you, > J

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Lee are you actually in your new place? I hate unloading boxes. to me they are like rabbits you put two boxes in a closet and the next time you open the door there are six boxes in there. Bev "Lee Thompson-Herbert" wrote in message

news:41429297$0$8082$a1866201@newsreader.dsl.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Busy, mostly. And my personal life has gone to hell lately. Still > trying to clean up the last of that mess. I believe things will be > better in the end, but I’m really tired of the bullshit I’ve been > having to deal with. The stress has been a drain, on top of moving. > — > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert l…@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > See my CafePress Shops: http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/CafePress.html > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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How’s your daughter? Weren’t they testing her for lupus? Bev "Lassy Lass" wrote in message

news:3039-414327EF-688@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am checking in. Sorry haven’t posted in forever. Just started back > up on my shots again after taking almost two months off due to this > cantanous lupus flare or episode. Hope everyone is having a good > summer. Melody aka Lassy

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CP here. On and off computer problems during the summer. Now back to school for another year. Struggling with fatigue but otherwise doing pretty well.

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I have just been busy taking care of my grandkids…Been pretty tired all the time… Glad to hear all have missed the wrath of the hurricanes so far..Praying that Ivan fizzles out in the middle of the gulf… Bev, Hope you take it easy with the fair…Do not over do it… Sending you all hugs and prayers.. Cindy "Beverley" wrote in message

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In article <1UO0d.4727$iS2.1627@trnddc09>, Beverley wrote: >Lee are you actually in your new place? >I hate unloading boxes. to me they are like rabbits you put two boxes in a >closet and the next time you open the door there are six boxes in there.

Yeah, we’ve been in the new place about a month now. Compared to the Hellhole House, this is great. All the windows and doors actually work, I don’t have to strain anything to make them open and close. I get a choice as to which hand to use. Some of the shelves even roll out, so I don’t have to reach and stretch as much for things, and the cabnets are better laid-out than the old place. And I can get my walker into all the rooms. Actually, I can get the wheelchair into all the rooms if I have it in the house. No ramp yet, though. All in all, a much better place for me. The garage is full of boxes. Very organized, but full of boxes. Sigh. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert l…@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris See my CafePress Shops: http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/CafePress.html "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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FYI… CELEBREX is a sulfa based drug I beleive, so it may be helping and harming you at the same time. Anyone with lupus should avoid any food or medicine with sulfa or sulfites. Terrice

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I have checked this site daily for the last month and as Beverly said, it is "dead" here >>LOL so I just never posted or had much time either. Since the biopsy came back NEGATIVE, I have been trying to get my body rid of this chest, (RIB) pain and back on track, but it is taking me awhile. Celebrex will kick in and then go from there, back to my walking machine with high hopes. We are also preparing for a trip to York Pennsylvania. Going to a motor home rally and meet folks with motor homes like ours. Never been to one so if this is too much, never again. We will be on our own but there is lots to do and we, thankfully, do not have to do anything we can’t or won’t. That is a nice part. Then our DIL is due Oct now but they moved the due date up. NOW watch it happend when we are on our way HOME . Then we will go to their area in Ohio and stay at a RV park for a few days. Another baby to hold. heheheh The Little one now is growing and doing ok but fighting intolerance to forumula and haveing diarrhea all the time. even did with breast milk, now daughter can not do that, dried up early. well time to go. I am hanging loose hugs to all janers

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Hi Bev, I am here too. I agree, it has been very quiet around here. I keep meaning to tell you that I think you and G clean up very nicely. What a lovely picture of the two of you. The pain from the shingles is almost gone. The last of the lesions are almost healed too. I am happy that is behind me. I have something else that has to be handled. It isn’t serious, but I do have to go to the hospital on the 27th to get that fixed. It has been a summer of one thing after another. We all seem to manage in our own way, so I am muddling along. BJ-Sk. Canada "Beverley" wrote in message

news:1v30d.9261$PK3.5045@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did ya’ll hear that??? > I was about to post a roll call but J did it. Unfortunately hers is buried > at the bottom under another heading!!! > Where the heck is everyone??? This newsgroup has been slow all summer but > lately it’s been so dead!!! To be honest right now I could not keep up with > 100 posts a day but geez, people, please lets us know you are still alive > and kicking!! > I’ve got the County Fair coming up so I’m busier than a beehive trying to > get it all done. I went to the new Fair grounds today and the place was one > big mud hole. OMG!!! How are we going to have a Fair under these > conditions??? Ivan had better blow itself out and not dump more water on us > much less come near FL!! > Bev

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Where’s Cloud??? She might still be without elect. She did evacuate but she did return home. Still, we’ve not heard from her. Bev "Beverley" wrote in message

news:1v30d.9261$PK3.5045@trnddc08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did ya’ll hear that??? > I was about to post a roll call but J did it. Unfortunately hers is buried > at the bottom under another heading!!! > Where the heck is everyone??? This newsgroup has been slow all summer but > lately it’s been so dead!!! To be honest right now I could not keep up with > 100 posts a day but geez, people, please lets us know you are still alive > and kicking!! > I’ve got the County Fair coming up so I’m busier than a beehive trying to > get it all done. I went to the new Fair grounds today and the place was one > big mud hole. OMG!!! How are we going to have a Fair under these > conditions??? Ivan had better blow itself out and not dump more water on us > much less come near FL!! > Bev

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Hi Mary Ann, You are going through some very stressful and frightening times. Be safe. I will be glad when all of this is over for you. Report in as you can. BJ-Sk. Canada "Mary Ann" wrote in message

news:12925-4141BAE7-135@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all! Haven’t been keeping track of the lupus news lately. Guess > I’ve been "hunkering down" too many times. Sure is stressful. "Charley" > missed us by 10 miles to the south and a "Frances’" tornado belt missed > us 7 miles to the north!..The third time worries me a little. Cookie > (dog) and Pearl (cat) are good indicators that a hurricane is on the way > again…… If I felt a little better I would have taken off for > Illinois, but really didn’t feel up to it. If I had done that the last > 2 times, I couldn’t have stopped midway because either hurricane would > have caught up with me!! Really makes life intereesting. My shutters > are all down, so I am prepared—again!!……. Gentle hugs to all. > Mary Ann..

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Hi all! Haven’t been keeping track of the lupus news lately. Guess I’ve been "hunkering down" too many times. Sure is stressful. "Charley" missed us by 10 miles to the south and a "Frances’" tornado belt missed us 7 miles to the north!..The third time worries me a little. Cookie (dog) and Pearl (cat) are good indicators that a hurricane is on the way again…… If I felt a little better I would have taken off for Illinois, but really didn’t feel up to it. If I had done that the last 2 times, I couldn’t have stopped midway because either hurricane would have caught up with me!! Really makes life intereesting. My shutters are all down, so I am prepared—again!!……. Gentle hugs to all. Mary Ann..

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Oh, no you too? I didn’t realize you were there too. I have too many friends down there. One has already been told to evacuate but she can’t figure out how because there is no gas at any of the gas stations!! Keep in touch the best you can and let us know if you are okay or if you have evacuated, etc. Bev "Mary Ann" wrote in message

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BJ

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Hi Bev, That is a good plan. I think things like this are part of the reason that health costs are so high. The worst part is that you have someone who is ill driving all that way for nothing. I have had that happen. I am a placid person, but have reacted badly to that sort of thing. BJ-shivering in SK. "Beverley" wrote in message

news:u7t0agg1kf3m46@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why can’t we bill them for wasting our time? I bet you had a bill for > today’s visit! > Bev > "rothnie browning" wrote in message > news:G6vf8.834$K4l.597@news2.bloor.is… > > thanks for asking re. my x-rays. Drove to next town " Barrie " to see my > dr. > > OH he says , you had it done Tues. hmm they have not told me he says , so > he > > ph. and they tell him oooo yah , they are not read yet and that dr. is not > > in till afternoon. > > So I leave still gurgling and drive home again . So here I sit waiting > > GRRRRR!! > > Bruce On. -10 , stopped snowing:))))

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thanks for asking re. my x-rays. Drove to next town " Barrie " to see my dr. OH he says , you had it done Tues. hmm they have not told me he says , so he ph. and they tell him oooo yah , they are not read yet and that dr. is not in till afternoon. So I leave still gurgling and drive home again . So here I sit waiting GRRRRR!! Bruce On. -10 , stopped snowing:))))

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Why can’t we bill them for wasting our time? I bet you had a bill for today’s visit! Bev "rothnie browning" wrote in message

news:G6vf8.834$K4l.597@news2.bloor.is… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> thanks for asking re. my x-rays. Drove to next town " Barrie " to see my dr. > OH he says , you had it done Tues. hmm they have not told me he says , so he > ph. and they tell him oooo yah , they are not read yet and that dr. is not > in till afternoon. > So I leave still gurgling and drive home again . So here I sit waiting > GRRRRR!! > Bruce On. -10 , stopped snowing:))))

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Hi Bruce, That is so frustrating. It is maddening when you waste time and energy that way. Will your doctor just phone you with results now? I hope you are not feeling too ill. BJ-SK—YUK, it’s cold. "rothnie browning" wrote in message

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I think you must be very sweet by nature. You welcome to the group andmake people smile. I didn’t have anything important to say, just that.

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Dear LR, What a lovely thing to say. I am having another bad week, but you just made it seem better. I hope things are better for you. Fond Regards, BJ "LightRainbow" wrote in message

news:20011105142954.28641.00003056@mb-cg.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think you must be very sweet by nature. You welcome to the group andmake > people smile. I didn’t have anything important to say, just that.

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On 05 Nov 2001 19:29:54 GMT, lightrain…@aol.com (LightRainbow) wrote: >I think you must be very sweet by nature. You welcome to the group andmake >people smile. I didn’t have anything important to say, just that.

Oh I don’t know. That sounds pretty important to me.

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I agree with Light Rainbow you are very sweet I do hope you start feeling better soon Soft hugs Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BJ wrote: > Dear LR, > What a lovely thing to say. I am having another bad week, but you just made > it seem better. I hope things are better for you. > Fond Regards, > BJ > "LightRainbow" wrote in message > news:20011105142954.28641.00003056@mb-cg.aol.com… > > I think you must be very sweet by nature. You welcome to the group andmake > > people smile. I didn’t have anything important to say, just that.

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Hey, BJ – wouildn’t you like to visit SoCal? I’ve got lots of room, and lots of rooms that need cleaning! BJ wrote in message

news:vFI%7.1314$iOo3.10093007@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi J, > Well, my old girl (13) is bathed,dried and groomed. I do them in the > bathtub. They are Golden Retrievers so not the right size for the shower. I > don’t think the underbelly could be rinsed properly that way, even if they > could fit in there. Nerve pain is different from any other kind. If you have > a nerve in your shoulder that is bothering you it helps to get a glimpse of > what happens to me. It may be hard to believe, but this is true. Every part > of my body was assalted by that pain. Now you know why I say I would rather > check out now, than go through that again. It lasts over several months. I > said to my husband that I wouldn’t let an animal suffer that way and yet > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a 15minute > period. It was a nightmare.As usual, you have wowed me with websites. That > is interesting. I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you are > likely getting used to me too. I just feel the need to clean things up and > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting instinct > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. Take care. > BJ > "J Wootton" wrote in message > news:3C3F4058.DDA835FC@rogers.com… > > Hello BJ, > > I mop the baseboards too. I’ve been working on cleaning doors and > doorframes > > (only 5 but it’s taken me a week) and going thru papers to throw some out. > > Yep, I tell my cats, now the floor is clean enough to eat off..then Katy > drops a > > furball, then I tell her what a good job she did, get out the cleaning > stuff and > > clean it up. Yes, it’s interesting in the sunlight to see paw prints (and > my > > own footprints) all over the floors. Was thinking today I probably > wouldn’t be > > good at floor-painting. I’d end up in the "proverbial corner…waiting… > > I think I have an idea what the neuralgia is like. When I move my right > arm a > > certain way, I get nerve pain in the upper arm. Mom had similar in her > face for > > over 20 years. At the time, they didn’t have /give the kinds of meds they > do > > now. > > Thought you might be interested in this. > > http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01110205.html > > Research is great but I wished they’d only make announcements when they > have the > > solution. > > I’m glad your doctor is understanding and on board with the meds. > > Your right, some of the shoulder pain has gotten better now. (except when > I try > > to sleep on that side). And I’ve still got the tennis elbow thing > happening. > > How do you bath your dog? My friend’s hubby takes his into the shower > with him, > > then lets the dog shake the water off, lets him out into the house, then > > continues to shower himself. Says it’s the least messiest way of doing > it. > > You sound tired. Hope you don’t overdo. > > Take care, > > J > > BJ wrote: > > > Hi J, > > > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My dogs > > > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them to > have > > > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a > price I > > > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is > > > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth > hurt > > > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my scalp. > It > > > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came > in on > > > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive to > our > > > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go > through > > > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about > joint, > > > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking about > the > > > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide seem > like > > > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get me > > > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > > > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he > isn’t > > > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the > > > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something like > > > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like > that. I > > > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about > going to > > > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all of > the > > > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid another > > > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case things > go > > > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I > wouldn’t > > > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to > > > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask a > > > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was thinking > > > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse for > at > > > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems to > > > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little > > > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking > high > > > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean > dog > > > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I > > > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel > tired. I > > > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a > day. > > > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on myself > if > > > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city > where > > > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it > BJ. > > > Hope you have a good day. > > > BJ

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JARogow wrote in message

news:TkE08.35120$B61.12152332@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com… > Hey, BJ – wouildn’t you like to visit SoCal? I’ve got lots of room, > and lots of rooms that need cleaning!

Wow – you can tell I’m tired – posing email and misspelling. Sorry

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Yes Judith, I would love to come. I just need a few days of rest first. That will give you time to send me an airline ticket. BJ- freezing her buns in S. Sk. "JARogow" wrote in message

news:TkE08.35120$B61.12152332@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, BJ – wouildn’t you like to visit SoCal? I’ve got lots of room, > and lots of rooms that need cleaning! > BJ wrote in message > news:vFI%7.1314$iOo3.10093007@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… > > Hi J, > > Well, my old girl (13) is bathed,dried and groomed. I do them in the > > bathtub. They are Golden Retrievers so not the right size for the shower. > I > > don’t think the underbelly could be rinsed properly that way, even if they > > could fit in there. Nerve pain is different from any other kind. If you > have > > a nerve in your shoulder that is bothering you it helps to get a glimpse > of > > what happens to me. It may be hard to believe, but this is true. Every > part > > of my body was assalted by that pain. Now you know why I say I would > rather > > check out now, than go through that again. It lasts over several months. I > > said to my husband that I wouldn’t let an animal suffer that way and yet > > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a > 15minute > > period. It was a nightmare.As usual, you have wowed me with websites. That > > is interesting. I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is > right. > > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you > are > > likely getting used to me too. I just feel the need to clean things up and > > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting > instinct > > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. Take care. > > BJ > > "J Wootton" wrote in message > > news:3C3F4058.DDA835FC@rogers.com… > > > Hello BJ, > > > I mop the baseboards too. I’ve been working on cleaning doors and > > doorframes > > > (only 5 but it’s taken me a week) and going thru papers to throw some > out. > > > Yep, I tell my cats, now the floor is clean enough to eat off..then Katy > > drops a > > > furball, then I tell her what a good job she did, get out the cleaning > > stuff and > > > clean it up. Yes, it’s interesting in the sunlight to see paw prints > (and > > my > > > own footprints) all over the floors. Was thinking today I probably > > wouldn’t be > > > good at floor-painting. I’d end up in the "proverbial > corner…waiting… > > > I think I have an idea what the neuralgia is like. When I move my right > > arm a > > > certain way, I get nerve pain in the upper arm. Mom had similar in her > > face for > > > over 20 years. At the time, they didn’t have /give the kinds of meds > they > > do > > > now. > > > Thought you might be interested in this. > > > http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01110205.html > > > Research is great but I wished they’d only make announcements when they > > have the > > > solution. > > > I’m glad your doctor is understanding and on board with the meds. > > > Your right, some of the shoulder pain has gotten better now. (except > when > > I try > > > to sleep on that side). And I’ve still got the tennis elbow thing > > happening. > > > How do you bath your dog? My friend’s hubby takes his into the shower > > with him, > > > then lets the dog shake the water off, lets him out into the house, then > > > continues to shower himself. Says it’s the least messiest way of doing > > it. > > > You sound tired. Hope you don’t overdo. > > > Take care, > > > J > > > BJ wrote: > > > > Hi J, > > > > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My > dogs > > > > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them > to > > have > > > > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a > > price I > > > > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is > > > > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth > > hurt > > > > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my > scalp. > > It > > > > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came > > in on > > > > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive > to > > our > > > > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go > > through > > > > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about > > joint, > > > > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking > about > > the > > > > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide > seem > > like > > > > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get > me > > > > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > > > > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he > > isn’t > > > > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the > > > > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something > like > > > > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like > > that. I > > > > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about > > going to > > > > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all > of > > the > > > > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid > another > > > > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case > things > > go > > > > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I > > wouldn’t > > > > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to > > > > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask > a > > > > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was > thinking > > > > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse > for > > at > > > > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems > to > > > > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little > > > > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking > > high > > > > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean > > dog > > > > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I > > > > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel > > tired. I > > > > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a > > day. > > > > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on > myself > > if > > > > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city > > where > > > > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it > > BJ. > > > > Hope you have a good day. > > > > BJ

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I’m shipping you my broom to ride – the saddle is very comfortable, and I can stay home while you borrow it. BJ wrote in message

news:VoF08.1476$iOo3.25559212@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes Judith, I would love to come. I just need a few days of rest first. That > will give you time to send me an airline ticket. > BJ- freezing her buns in S. Sk. > "JARogow" wrote in message > news:TkE08.35120$B61.12152332@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com… > > Hey, BJ – wouildn’t you like to visit SoCal? I’ve got lots of room, > > and lots of rooms that need cleaning! > > BJ wrote in message > > news:vFI%7.1314$iOo3.10093007@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… > > > Hi J, > > > Well, my old girl (13) is bathed,dried and groomed. I do them in the > > > bathtub. They are Golden Retrievers so not the right size for the > shower. > > I > > > don’t think the underbelly could be rinsed properly that way, even if > they > > > could fit in there. Nerve pain is different from any other kind. If you > > have > > > a nerve in your shoulder that is bothering you it helps to get a glimpse > > of > > > what happens to me. It may be hard to believe, but this is true. Every > > part > > > of my body was assalted by that pain. Now you know why I say I would > > rather > > > check out now, than go through that again. It lasts over several months. > I > > > said to my husband that I wouldn’t let an animal suffer that way and yet > > > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a > > 15minute > > > period. It was a nightmare.As usual, you have wowed me with websites. > That > > > is interesting. I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is > > right. > > > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you > > are > > > likely getting used to me too. I just feel the need to clean things up > and > > > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting > > instinct > > > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. Take care. > > > BJ > > > "J Wootton" wrote in message > > > news:3C3F4058.DDA835FC@rogers.com… > > > > Hello BJ, > > > > I mop the baseboards too. I’ve been working on cleaning doors and > > > doorframes > > > > (only 5 but it’s taken me a week) and going thru papers to throw some > > out. > > > > Yep, I tell my cats, now the floor is clean enough to eat off..then > Katy > > > drops a > > > > furball, then I tell her what a good job she did, get out the cleaning > > > stuff and > > > > clean it up. Yes, it’s interesting in the sunlight to see paw prints > > (and > > > my > > > > own footprints) all over the floors. Was thinking today I probably > > > wouldn’t be > > > > good at floor-painting. I’d end up in the "proverbial > > corner…waiting… > > > > I think I have an idea what the neuralgia is like. When I move my > right > > > arm a > > > > certain way, I get nerve pain in the upper arm. Mom had similar in > her > > > face for > > > > over 20 years. At the time, they didn’t have /give the kinds of meds > > they > > > do > > > > now. > > > > Thought you might be interested in this. > > > > http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01110205.html > > > > Research is great but I wished they’d only make announcements when > they > > > have the > > > > solution. > > > > I’m glad your doctor is understanding and on board with the meds. > > > > Your right, some of the shoulder pain has gotten better now. (except > > when > > > I try > > > > to sleep on that side). And I’ve still got the tennis elbow thing > > > happening. > > > > How do you bath your dog? My friend’s hubby takes his into the shower > > > with him, > > > > then lets the dog shake the water off, lets him out into the house, > then > > > > continues to shower himself. Says it’s the least messiest way of > doing > > > it. > > > > You sound tired. Hope you don’t overdo. > > > > Take care, > > > > J > > > > BJ wrote: > > > > > Hi J, > > > > > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My > > dogs > > > > > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them > > to > > > have > > > > > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a > > > price I > > > > > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling > is > > > > > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my > teeth > > > hurt > > > > > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my > > scalp. > > > It > > > > > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He > came > > > in on > > > > > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive > > to > > > our > > > > > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go > > > through > > > > > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about > > > joint, > > > > > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking > > about > > > the > > > > > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide > > seem > > > like > > > > > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get > > me > > > > > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > > > > > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he > > > isn’t > > > > > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about > the > > > > > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something > > like > > > > > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like > > > that. I > > > > > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about > > > going to > > > > > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with > all > > of > > > the > > > > > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid > > another > > > > > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case > > things > > > go > > > > > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I > > > wouldn’t > > > > > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss > to > > > > > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you > ask > > a > > > > > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was > > thinking > > > > > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse > > for > > > at > > > > > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain > seems > > to > > > > > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a > little > > > > > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking > > > high > > > > > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have > clean > > > dog > > > > > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when > I > > > > > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel > > > tired. I > > > > > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in > a > > > day. > > > > > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on > > myself > > > if > > > > > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city > > > where > > > > > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button > it > > > BJ. > > > > > Hope you have a good day. > > > > > BJ

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In article , BJ wrote >Hi J, >Well, my old girl (13) is bathed,dried and groomed. I do them in the >bathtub. They are Golden Retrievers so not the right size for the shower. I >don’t think the underbelly could be rinsed properly that way, even if they >could fit in there.

The answer to that problem is a longer flexible pipe between shower head and where the water comes out of. (OK, that was for a Sheltie, but it should work for a G.R. too.) — Andy [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society] For Austrian philately For Lupus For my other interests

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Wow, I understand the pain. I have to take headache med , klonipin, pamilar & paxil along with listening to relaxation music, sometimes listening several times cause I can’t relax easy. this is horrible that any of us have to know this much about our bodies. and it sure takes courage to go another day. "Beverley" wrote in message

news:u3v9cmravsk4ff@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Geez, I know all about neuralgia! Several horrible bouts of it and I do hope > I never have it again. I’ve had (and forgive my spelling here) trigeminal > neuralgia and glosophringal neuralgia. That means it attacks the nerves on > face I think it’s the 1, 5, and 12 nerve sets. Like I say I’m not very good > with the medical stuff. It shoots from the jaw socket area or rather > slightly behind over the one eye and down the nose, across the cheek and > under the lower jaw bone – runs right to the midline and stops dead. So > strange I know where my midline is!!! And also attacks the tongue and down > the back of my throat all on the one side. The most horrible pain I have > ever withstood. My doctor at the time told me more suicides are committed > over neuralgia pain than any other medical problem! I can not talk or > anything when one of these bouts occur. I live on liquid food taken through > a coffee stirrer slipped between the check and teeth on the other side of > the mouth and hope it doesn’t slip to the bad side of my mouth triggering > the most intense pain. They talked about killing the nerves on that side of > my face and told me it drop my face like I had had a stroke. I can’t say I > was cured but I have acupuncture done. It was done by a trained person from > Korea but not licensed to practice in USA.- so it was very illegal but I > wasn’t charged. Because the pain did not lessen at the time – it was thought > it wasn’t working and he wouldn’t treat me more. Also at the time my husband > decided that I was so tense with pain that I was fighting myself. I said I > had to relax but I couldn’t – it was impossible. So one night when it was so > bad he called the doctor for me and as I wrote he told the doctor on the > phone what was happening. The doctor told me to take several Xanax tablets I > had as one super high dose. And continue to take them normally, if I needed > them. Well, I slept the rest of the night almost straight through and when I > felt the neuralgia flaring during the day I took another Xanax. Relief!!!! > Now, I’ve had several neuralgia (what I refer to as buzzing) sensations but > never another bout of full neuralgia attacks. So the question is – did the > acupuncture work and that is what has kept me from having another bad flare > or did it just go away on it’s own? I will say I am much more prone to > having a problem with the neuralgia when I’m under heavy stress. But mine > has been so bad I can’t imagine cleaning the house – I don’t want to move > any part of my body. > Bev > "BJ" wrote in message > news:xyp%7.1271$iOo3.42664032@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… > > Hi J, > > That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad > > days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long > enough > > to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep > > moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better > > today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How > is > > the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed? > > Hugs, > > BJ > > "J Wootton" wrote in message > > news:3C3CAAA2.37F0A63B@rogers.com… > > > How are you? Missed your posts today, > > > Best, > > > J

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I think we all tend to say "Just fine". After all who really wants to hear us whine and complain? My husband was being very kind tonight asked if I was okay. I told him not really but nothing serious. Kind of hard to explain what is wrong sometimes anyway. Bev "BJ" wrote in message

news:S2%%7.1360$iOo3.13697412@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi J, > It is funny, but I don’t like to unload even here. It isn’t that I don’t > think the group would understand. I have always been a comforter to friends > and family. I don’t like to complain about my situation. I still think it > may be a bit of denial on my part. I don’t like to ask my husband to do > something because it is too hard for me to do. It isn’t because I can’t > admit it to him. I think it is more because I can’t admit it to myself. I > cover up a lot of things about my health. Why do I do that? My answer to > "how are you" is always "I’m fine, thank you. Then I listen to everyone > else’s problems. > BJ-the invinceable > "J Wootton" wrote in message > news:3C40136B.F6F5DDD6@rogers.com… > > BJ wrote: > > > []yet > > > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a > 15minute > > > period. It was a nightmare. > > Sounds like you’ve had a horrible time. Sure hope the meds are now > helping the > > situation. > > > I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. > > > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you > are > > > likely getting used to me too. > > Actually you’re much more verbose this week. That’s good. It helps to > unload > > at times. > > > I just feel the need to clean things up and > > > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting > instinct > > > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. > > Well since you brought this up (guys can stop reading at this point), it’s > been > > discovered, in recent years that males have cycles. In additon, many > women I > > speak too have detected symptoms that continue beyond "the cycling years". > One > > of the things we had in common is that the week before cycles we’d be more > > depressed and also be doing the "busy-busy" thing. Like jobs we’d ignored > for > > months or weeks. So my current theory is that, beyond the cycling years, > our > > brains are programmed monthly to continue these habits and that there are > still > > subtle changes which occur monthly. > > What do ya think about this theory? > > Hope you’re sleeping (now) and recuperating from all that work. > > J

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Hi Beverley, You are right about that. I figure the time to say something is when you need to go to emergency. My husband always says he needs to know, but I don’t think that is true most of the time. Hope you are "just fine". Well, reasonably okay at least. Regards and good night, BJ "Beverley" wrote in message

news:u424ktr75ifd14@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think we all tend to say "Just fine". After all who really wants to hear > us whine and complain? My husband was being very kind tonight asked if I was > okay. I told him not really but nothing serious. Kind of hard to explain > what is wrong sometimes anyway. > Bev > "BJ" wrote in message > news:S2%%7.1360$iOo3.13697412@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… > > Hi J, > > It is funny, but I don’t like to unload even here. It isn’t that I don’t > > think the group would understand. I have always been a comforter to > friends > > and family. I don’t like to complain about my situation. I still think it > > may be a bit of denial on my part. I don’t like to ask my husband to do > > something because it is too hard for me to do. It isn’t because I can’t > > admit it to him. I think it is more because I can’t admit it to myself. I > > cover up a lot of things about my health. Why do I do that? My answer to > > "how are you" is always "I’m fine, thank you. Then I listen to everyone > > else’s problems. > > BJ-the invinceable > > "J Wootton" wrote in message > > news:3C40136B.F6F5DDD6@rogers.com… > > > BJ wrote: > > > > []yet > > > > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a > > 15minute > > > > period. It was a nightmare. > > > Sounds like you’ve had a horrible time. Sure hope the meds are now > > helping the > > > situation. > > > > I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. > > > > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, > you > > are > > > > likely getting used to me too. > > > Actually you’re much more verbose this week. That’s good. It helps to > > unload > > > at times. > > > > I just feel the need to clean things up and > > > > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting > > instinct > > > > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. > > > Well since you brought this up (guys can stop reading at this point), > it’s > > been > > > discovered, in recent years that males have cycles. In additon, many > > women I > > > speak too have detected symptoms that continue beyond "the cycling > years". > > One > > > of the things we had in common is that the week before cycles we’d be > more > > > depressed and also be doing the "busy-busy" thing. Like jobs we’d > ignored > > for > > > months or weeks. So my current theory is that, beyond the cycling > years, > > our > > > brains are programmed monthly to continue these habits and that there > are > > still > > > subtle changes which occur monthly. > > > What do ya think about this theory? > > > Hope you’re sleeping (now) and recuperating from all that work. > > > J

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Hi J, It is funny, but I don’t like to unload even here. It isn’t that I don’t think the group would understand. I have always been a comforter to friends and family. I don’t like to complain about my situation. I still think it may be a bit of denial on my part. I don’t like to ask my husband to do something because it is too hard for me to do. It isn’t because I can’t admit it to him. I think it is more because I can’t admit it to myself. I cover up a lot of things about my health. Why do I do that? My answer to "how are you" is always "I’m fine, thank you. Then I listen to everyone else’s problems. BJ-the invinceable "J Wootton" wrote in message

news:3C40136B.F6F5DDD6@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> BJ wrote: > > []yet > > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a 15minute > > period. It was a nightmare. > Sounds like you’ve had a horrible time. Sure hope the meds are now helping the > situation. > > I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. > > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you are > > likely getting used to me too. > Actually you’re much more verbose this week. That’s good. It helps to unload > at times. > > I just feel the need to clean things up and > > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting instinct > > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. > Well since you brought this up (guys can stop reading at this point), it’s been > discovered, in recent years that males have cycles. In additon, many women I > speak too have detected symptoms that continue beyond "the cycling years". One > of the things we had in common is that the week before cycles we’d be more > depressed and also be doing the "busy-busy" thing. Like jobs we’d ignored for > months or weeks. So my current theory is that, beyond the cycling years, our > brains are programmed monthly to continue these habits and that there are still > subtle changes which occur monthly. > What do ya think about this theory? > Hope you’re sleeping (now) and recuperating from all that work. > J

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BJ wrote: > []yet > nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a 15minute > period. It was a nightmare.

Sounds like you’ve had a horrible time. Sure hope the meds are now helping the situation. > I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. > I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you are > likely getting used to me too.

Actually you’re much more verbose this week. That’s good. It helps to unload at times. > I just feel the need to clean things up and > get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting instinct > kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle.

Well since you brought this up (guys can stop reading at this point), it’s been discovered, in recent years that males have cycles. In additon, many women I speak too have detected symptoms that continue beyond "the cycling years". One of the things we had in common is that the week before cycles we’d be more depressed and also be doing the "busy-busy" thing. Like jobs we’d ignored for months or weeks. So my current theory is that, beyond the cycling years, our brains are programmed monthly to continue these habits and that there are still subtle changes which occur monthly. What do ya think about this theory? Hope you’re sleeping (now) and recuperating from all that work. J

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Geez, I know all about neuralgia! Several horrible bouts of it and I do hope I never have it again. I’ve had (and forgive my spelling here) trigeminal neuralgia and glosophringal neuralgia. That means it attacks the nerves on face I think it’s the 1, 5, and 12 nerve sets. Like I say I’m not very good with the medical stuff. It shoots from the jaw socket area or rather slightly behind over the one eye and down the nose, across the cheek and under the lower jaw bone – runs right to the midline and stops dead. So strange I know where my midline is!!! And also attacks the tongue and down the back of my throat all on the one side. The most horrible pain I have ever withstood. My doctor at the time told me more suicides are committed over neuralgia pain than any other medical problem! I can not talk or anything when one of these bouts occur. I live on liquid food taken through a coffee stirrer slipped between the check and teeth on the other side of the mouth and hope it doesn’t slip to the bad side of my mouth triggering the most intense pain. They talked about killing the nerves on that side of my face and told me it drop my face like I had had a stroke. I can’t say I was cured but I have acupuncture done. It was done by a trained person from Korea but not licensed to practice in USA.- so it was very illegal but I wasn’t charged. Because the pain did not lessen at the time – it was thought it wasn’t working and he wouldn’t treat me more. Also at the time my husband decided that I was so tense with pain that I was fighting myself. I said I had to relax but I couldn’t – it was impossible. So one night when it was so bad he called the doctor for me and as I wrote he told the doctor on the phone what was happening. The doctor told me to take several Xanax tablets I had as one super high dose. And continue to take them normally, if I needed them. Well, I slept the rest of the night almost straight through and when I felt the neuralgia flaring during the day I took another Xanax. Relief!!!! Now, I’ve had several neuralgia (what I refer to as buzzing) sensations but never another bout of full neuralgia attacks. So the question is – did the acupuncture work and that is what has kept me from having another bad flare or did it just go away on it’s own? I will say I am much more prone to having a problem with the neuralgia when I’m under heavy stress. But mine has been so bad I can’t imagine cleaning the house – I don’t want to move any part of my body. Bev "BJ" wrote in message

news:xyp%7.1271$iOo3.42664032@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi J, > That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad > days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long enough > to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep > moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better > today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How is > the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed? > Hugs, > BJ > "J Wootton" wrote in message > news:3C3CAAA2.37F0A63B@rogers.com… > > How are you? Missed your posts today, > > Best, > > J

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In article , "BJ" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: > Hi J, > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My dogs > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them to have > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a price I > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth hurt > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my scalp. It > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came in on > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive to our > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go through > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about joint, > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking about the > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide seem like > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get me > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he isn’t > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something like > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like that. I > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about going to > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all of the > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid another > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case things go > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I wouldn’t > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask a > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was thinking > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse for at > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems to > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking high > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean dog > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel tired. I > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a day. > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on myself if > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city where > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it BJ. > Hope you have a good day. > BJ > "J Wootton" wrote in message > news:3C3E9D9B.84ADCBB8@rogers.com… > > Hello BJ, > > I was worried about you. That neuralgia sounds nasty. So glad you were > feeling > > somewhat better yesterday. > > I know what you mean, moving as a distraction. I imagine the break from > the > > computer helps a bit too? > > My version of scrubbing floors is using a wet mop. Do you actually get > down on > > your knees and scrub from area to area? > > My friend does. She says it’s not clean unless she does. Those days are > long > > gone for me, except for specific spot control. Knees hurt (amongst other > > things). I’m sorry you’ve been having such a rough time. > > As to me, as of yesterday, I still couldn’t sleep on my left side (w/o > moaning > > from the pain the whole time). The injection site is getting better but > still > > painful. Some of the other pains (neck and spine) seemed better > yesterday, but > > since we had a slight warming yesterday, not sure if that was the reason > or if > > the injection is finally kicking in. Hope it’s the latter. > > Good to see you. Don’t be overdoing there. But it’s a great feeling of > > accomplishment to have clean floors eh? > > Hugs > > J > > BJ wrote: > > > Hi J, > > > That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad > > > days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long > enough > > > to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep > > > moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better > > > today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How > is > > > the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed? > >Hi BJ, Clean floors are so great and I used to get down on the floor and

really do a good scrubbing job. One day my daughter came in while I was doing a thorough job. She told me how stupid that was. I told her i had been told it was good for my uterus She reminded me that I had a hysterectomy– Brain dead ruth

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Hi J, Well, my old girl (13) is bathed,dried and groomed. I do them in the bathtub. They are Golden Retrievers so not the right size for the shower. I don’t think the underbelly could be rinsed properly that way, even if they could fit in there. Nerve pain is different from any other kind. If you have a nerve in your shoulder that is bothering you it helps to get a glimpse of what happens to me. It may be hard to believe, but this is true. Every part of my body was assalted by that pain. Now you know why I say I would rather check out now, than go through that again. It lasts over several months. I said to my husband that I wouldn’t let an animal suffer that way and yet nobody offered me anything that would allow me to sleep even for a 15minute period. It was a nightmare.As usual, you have wowed me with websites. That is interesting. I have moved to doing laundry now. Gee, my husband is right. I do talk in riddles and jump from one subject to another. Oh well, you are likely getting used to me too. I just feel the need to clean things up and get my dogs looking nice. Maybe I’m pregnant and it is the nesting instinct kicking in. Man, that would be a medical miracle. Take care. BJ "J Wootton" wrote in message

news:3C3F4058.DDA835FC@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello BJ, > I mop the baseboards too. I’ve been working on cleaning doors and doorframes > (only 5 but it’s taken me a week) and going thru papers to throw some out. > Yep, I tell my cats, now the floor is clean enough to eat off..then Katy drops a > furball, then I tell her what a good job she did, get out the cleaning stuff and > clean it up. Yes, it’s interesting in the sunlight to see paw prints (and my > own footprints) all over the floors. Was thinking today I probably wouldn’t be > good at floor-painting. I’d end up in the "proverbial corner…waiting… > I think I have an idea what the neuralgia is like. When I move my right arm a > certain way, I get nerve pain in the upper arm. Mom had similar in her face for > over 20 years. At the time, they didn’t have /give the kinds of meds they do > now. > Thought you might be interested in this. > http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01110205.html > Research is great but I wished they’d only make announcements when they have the > solution. > I’m glad your doctor is understanding and on board with the meds. > Your right, some of the shoulder pain has gotten better now. (except when I try > to sleep on that side). And I’ve still got the tennis elbow thing happening. > How do you bath your dog? My friend’s hubby takes his into the shower with him, > then lets the dog shake the water off, lets him out into the house, then > continues to shower himself. Says it’s the least messiest way of doing it. > You sound tired. Hope you don’t overdo. > Take care, > J > BJ wrote: > > Hi J, > > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My dogs > > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them to have > > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a price I > > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is > > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth hurt > > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my scalp. It > > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came in on > > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive to our > > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go through > > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about joint, > > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking about the > > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide seem like > > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get me > > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he isn’t > > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the > > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something like > > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like that. I > > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about going to > > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all of the > > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid another > > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case things go > > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I wouldn’t > > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to > > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask a > > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was thinking > > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse for at > > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems to > > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little > > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking high > > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean dog > > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I > > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel tired. I > > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a day. > > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on myself if > > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city where > > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it BJ. > > Hope you have a good day. > > BJ

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Hello BJ, I mop the baseboards too. I’ve been working on cleaning doors and doorframes (only 5 but it’s taken me a week) and going thru papers to throw some out. Yep, I tell my cats, now the floor is clean enough to eat off..then Katy drops a furball, then I tell her what a good job she did, get out the cleaning stuff and clean it up. Yes, it’s interesting in the sunlight to see paw prints (and my own footprints) all over the floors. Was thinking today I probably wouldn’t be good at floor-painting. I’d end up in the "proverbial corner…waiting… I think I have an idea what the neuralgia is like. When I move my right arm a certain way, I get nerve pain in the upper arm. Mom had similar in her face for over 20 years. At the time, they didn’t have /give the kinds of meds they do now. Thought you might be interested in this. http://www.cosmiverse.com/science01110205.html Research is great but I wished they’d only make announcements when they have the solution. I’m glad your doctor is understanding and on board with the meds. Your right, some of the shoulder pain has gotten better now. (except when I try to sleep on that side). And I’ve still got the tennis elbow thing happening. How do you bath your dog? My friend’s hubby takes his into the shower with him, then lets the dog shake the water off, lets him out into the house, then continues to shower himself. Says it’s the least messiest way of doing it. You sound tired. Hope you don’t overdo. Take care, J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BJ wrote: > Hi J, > I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My dogs > made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them to have > a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a price I > pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is > painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth hurt > when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my scalp. It > did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came in on > my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive to our > pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go through > the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about joint, > bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking about the > neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide seem like > the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get me > through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding > anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he isn’t > hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the > discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something like > Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like that. I > must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about going to > the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all of the > suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid another > major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case things go > bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I wouldn’t > remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to > explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask a > question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was thinking > about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse for at > least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems to > magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little > longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking high > temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean dog > hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I > accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel tired. I > think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a day. > Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on myself if > I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city where > there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it BJ. > Hope you have a good day. > BJ

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Please email me. -=JR=- — If "Miss Cleo" is so good at reading people’s thoughts, why doesn’t she realize I don’t want to read her spam?

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How are you? Missed your posts today, Best, J

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Hi J, That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long enough to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How is the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed? Hugs, BJ "J Wootton" wrote in message

news:3C3CAAA2.37F0A63B@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How are you? Missed your posts today, > Best, > J

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Hello BJ, I was worried about you. That neuralgia sounds nasty. So glad you were feeling somewhat better yesterday. I know what you mean, moving as a distraction. I imagine the break from the computer helps a bit too? My version of scrubbing floors is using a wet mop. Do you actually get down on your knees and scrub from area to area? My friend does. She says it’s not clean unless she does. Those days are long gone for me, except for specific spot control. Knees hurt (amongst other things). I’m sorry you’ve been having such a rough time. As to me, as of yesterday, I still couldn’t sleep on my left side (w/o moaning from the pain the whole time). The injection site is getting better but still painful. Some of the other pains (neck and spine) seemed better yesterday, but since we had a slight warming yesterday, not sure if that was the reason or if the injection is finally kicking in. Hope it’s the latter. Good to see you. Don’t be overdoing there. But it’s a great feeling of accomplishment to have clean floors eh? Hugs J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BJ wrote: > Hi J, > That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad > days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long enough > to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep > moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better > today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How is > the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed?

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Hi J, I do scrub along the baseboard and resort to a mop for the rest. My dogs made foot prints on the floor already. I always say that I want them to have a clean floor on which to shed, drool, and make paw marks. That is a price I pay for companionship. I have had three knee surgeries, so kneeling is painful for me too. It is nothing like neuralgia though. Even my teeth hurt when I have that. I swear that my hair hurts when I have it in my scalp. It did inspire me to talk to my doc about pain management though. He came in on my case in the middle of my last flare. The rheumy was not receptive to our pleas for pain meds. This doctor has put a plan in place should I go through the same thing again. He wrote it in my file. I am not talking about joint, bone, and muscle pain, which is bad enough in itself. I am talking about the neuralogical stuff. The neuropathic pain is enough to make suicide seem like the only way out. He is more than willing to give me morphine to get me through it. He said that if I ever feel that he is not understanding anything I am trying to discuss with him; I should tell him that he isn’t hearing me. He said I could tell him anything. I was nervous about the discussion. I thought he may say that he would start with something like Demerol, which is like taking an aspirin when it comes to pain like that. I must have described it well enough because he didn’t hesitate about going to the big guns. It is reassuring for me. I fell confident that with all of the suppressing drugs and my changes in life style that I can avoid another major flare. It is good to know that there is a plan just in case things go bad. The CNS stuff is so hard. I get brain dead when it flares. I wouldn’t remember how to make coffee, can’t form thoughts and I am at a loss to explain to the rheumy what is happening. See what happens when you ask a question. I get verbal diarrhea and you can’t shut me up. I was thinking about your shoulder. Whenever I have cort injections it seems worse for at least two days. The doc always says to rest the joint. The pain seems to magically disappear after a few days. Maybe it is just taking a little longer for you too. It is mild here too. We have had record breaking high temps. I want to bath my old dog today. It would be nice to have clean dog hair dust bunnies rolling across my clean floor. I do feel good when I accomplish something big. I feel like I then have a reason to feel tired. I think a lot of my feelings of self worth come from what I can do in a day. Not a good attitude for a lupie I guess. I can get really down on myself if I waste the whole day resting. Sometimes I wish we lived in the city where there would be far less work to do. Man, I am on a tangent. Button it BJ. Hope you have a good day. BJ "J Wootton" wrote in message

news:3C3E9D9B.84ADCBB8@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello BJ, > I was worried about you. That neuralgia sounds nasty. So glad you were feeling > somewhat better yesterday. > I know what you mean, moving as a distraction. I imagine the break from the > computer helps a bit too? > My version of scrubbing floors is using a wet mop. Do you actually get down on > your knees and scrub from area to area? > My friend does. She says it’s not clean unless she does. Those days are long > gone for me, except for specific spot control. Knees hurt (amongst other > things). I’m sorry you’ve been having such a rough time. > As to me, as of yesterday, I still couldn’t sleep on my left side (w/o moaning > from the pain the whole time). The injection site is getting better but still > painful. Some of the other pains (neck and spine) seemed better yesterday, but > since we had a slight warming yesterday, not sure if that was the reason or if > the injection is finally kicking in. Hope it’s the latter. > Good to see you. Don’t be overdoing there. But it’s a great feeling of > accomplishment to have clean floors eh? > Hugs > J > BJ wrote: > > Hi J, > > That was so nice of you to notice. I am okay now. I had a couple of bad > > days. I had neuralgia in my scalp and face. I couldn’t sit still long enough > > to sit at the computer to type. My vision was blurred too. I had to keep > > moving so I scrubbed floors and vacuumed as a distraction. It is better > > today. I can tell you that it is the hard way to get housework done. How is > > the shoulder now that a couple of days have passed?

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Thinking of you today, hope all went well and you’re not too uncomfortable. Hugs J

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Same here, thinking of you and hoping you heal fast! Sue in NZ

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Thanks J and Sue. It went okay. Talk to you more later. BJ-Sk. Canada "J" wrote in message

news:41586388.C7F69F89@execulink.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thinking of you today, hope all went well and you’re not too > uncomfortable. > Hugs > J

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Pukeko Palace wrote: > Same here, thinking of you and hoping you heal fast! > Sue in NZ

Hi ya Sue, We don’t have ever enough from you. How’s it going hun? Hugs J

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Hi Some of you may have noticed that BJ hasn’t been posting recently. She’s going through a rough time at the moment. I’m not sure if she’s reading or not. Please keep her in your thoughts, good vibes, prayers etc. Maybe she’ll explain when she’s able to do so. Hugs J

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J wrote: > Hi > Some of you may have noticed that BJ hasn’t been posting recently. > She’s going through a rough time at the moment. > I’m not sure if she’s reading or not. > Please keep her in your thoughts, good vibes, prayers etc. > Maybe she’ll explain when she’s able to do so. > Hugs > J

BJ, You’re in my prayers sweetie. Hang in there! (((((((((BJ)))))))))) Lots of hugs for you, -Sharon — "Don’t make me come down there…" -God

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Absolutely. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J wrote in message … > Hi > Some of you may have noticed that BJ hasn’t been posting recently. > She’s going through a rough time at the moment. > I’m not sure if she’s reading or not. > Please keep her in your thoughts, good vibes, prayers etc. > Maybe she’ll explain when she’s able to do so. > Hugs > J

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Yes, I noticed. I’ll be thinking of our BJ & hoping she’s back with us soon. You go slug-itate BJ & get well. We miss you already! Hugs4u, Maggie

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Will do!. Thanks for the heads up Dawn "J" wrote in message

news:3FFA0EEC.A6ECF488@execulink.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > Some of you may have noticed that BJ hasn’t been posting recently. > She’s going through a rough time at the moment. > I’m not sure if she’s reading or not. > Please keep her in your thoughts, good vibes, prayers etc. > Maybe she’ll explain when she’s able to do so. > Hugs > J

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Hi Cindy W. here I have had so much trouble keeping my computer running and being able to get the newsgroup. I really hope BJ and Mair are feeling better soon. Soft hugs Cindy W. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J wrote: > Hi > Some of you may have noticed that BJ hasn’t been posting recently. > She’s going through a rough time at the moment. > I’m not sure if she’s reading or not. > Please keep her in your thoughts, good vibes, prayers etc. > Maybe she’ll explain when she’s able to do so. > Hugs > J

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Hi Cindy W! Seeing you post, just might do it. : ) I know BJ sure missed you. I still only know *of you,* but hope to get to know you better. Still thinking about you BJ & hoping you’ll feel better soon. Hugs, Maggie

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Sending big HUGS to BJ (and all of you!) "J" wrote in message

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Hi J, I am reading now but there is sure a lot to catch up on. Thank you for thinking of me. Also thanks to everyone who added their good thoughts. You are all so sweet. BJ-Sk. Canada "J" wrote in message

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I see BJ’s busy and ignoring us J

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Hi J, You are right. I have been so busy that I have not taken the time to check up on everybody. Today isn’t shaping up to be any better. Hopefully things will settle down by the end of this week. Stay well everybody. BJ-Sk. Canada "J" wrote in message

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Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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Happy Birthday BJ. Hoping that you will have a healthier and pain free year ahead of you. Cindy "J Rogow" wrote in message

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J Rogow wrote: > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

Happy Happy Birthday to you BJ!! Have a great day full of love and light, and of course pain-free! -Sharon — Visit my webpage: http://www.qc.edu/~sperlof1/ ~Peace~ We must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we seek, but it is a means by which we arrive at that goal… We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means. -Martin Luther King Jr.

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BJ!!!! hope you enjoy the day and have MANY MANY more of them too. NOW how many is that this year? Oh sorry, never ask a lady her age right? Come on fess up here now. Have fun what ever you do, and pain is not in the day today hugs janers

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Best wishes for a pefect birthday! I always like to think that on my BD I get to eat as much of whatever I want so have at it girl! And many more. Michael Roeper Portland, Oregon "J Rogow" wrote in message

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Happy Birthday BJ! Hope you have a wonderful day and many many many more! Hugs, Sherry "J Rogow" wrote in message

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Happy Birthday BJ! Have a wonderfully special day with your family! Sending wishes for a healthy and happy year ahead and many more like it! — Hugs from Shelagh http://continue.to/lupus

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HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE ONE AND ONLY PRAIRIE CHICK!!!!! Suzie "J Rogow" wrote in message

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Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you that. Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out for dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for dinner tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam yesterday at law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will arrive Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. It is so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my birthday. What better present could there be!!!!! BJ-Sask. Canada "J Rogow" wrote in message

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Wow! That is way too cool about your son! I bet you’re so excited you can’t sit still…… Have a great evening! Michael "BJ" wrote in message

news:vagm8jc4nob931@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you that. > Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out for > dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for dinner > tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam yesterday at > law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will arrive > Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. It is > so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my birthday. > What better present could there be!!!!! > BJ-Sask. Canada > "J Rogow" wrote in message > news:b88q3k02643@enews3.newsguy.com… > > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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You got that right Michael. I have been baking an endless stream of cookies. I am going to make apple pies tomorrow. My son’s name is Michael too. Great name, don’t you think? BJ-Sask. Canada "Michael Roeper" wrote in message

news:n5Zpa.629062$S_4.680331@rwcrnsc53… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow! That is way too cool about your son! I bet you’re so excited you can’t > sit still…… > Have a great evening! > Michael > "BJ" wrote in message > news:vagm8jc4nob931@corp.supernews.com… > > Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you that. > > Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out for > > dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for > dinner > > tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam yesterday > at > > law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will > arrive > > Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. It > is > > so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my birthday. > > What better present could there be!!!!! > > BJ-Sask. Canada > > "J Rogow" wrote in message > > news:b88q3k02643@enews3.newsguy.com… > > > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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Yup…..it’s a fine name. Figure out some way to get one of them pies down here. Apple’s my favorite (next to you of course!!) Have lotsa fun with family. This will be a BD you’re gonna remember all year long. Hope you and the mister have a fine time tonight. I miss dinners with my wife. We used to go out a lot or I’d cook for her. After the divorce, I quit cooking altogether until just recently. My oldest (Dennis, 29yrs old) is coming over tonight to help me with a mechanical thing I don’t have the energy for and I’m fryin him up some chicken. God bless you! Michael "BJ" wrote in message

news:vagnlcqqnk4r3f@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You got that right Michael. I have been baking an endless stream of cookies. > I am going to make apple pies tomorrow. My son’s name is Michael too. Great > name, don’t you think? > BJ-Sask. Canada > "Michael Roeper" wrote in message > news:n5Zpa.629062$S_4.680331@rwcrnsc53… > > Wow! That is way too cool about your son! I bet you’re so excited you > can’t > > sit still…… > > Have a great evening! > > Michael > > "BJ" wrote in message > > news:vagm8jc4nob931@corp.supernews.com… > > > Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you > that. > > > Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out for > > > dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for > > dinner > > > tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam yesterday > > at > > > law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will > > arrive > > > Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. > It > > is > > > so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my > birthday. > > > What better present could there be!!!!! > > > BJ-Sask. Canada > > > "J Rogow" wrote in message > > > news:b88q3k02643@enews3.newsguy.com… > > > > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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Hope you have a great birthday and have fun with your family. JBAB (you know who…lol)

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Hmmmmm. Now let me see. Who might that be? Thank you JBAB. A full description of my pigout will be sure to follow. BJ-Sask. Canada "JBAB7542" wrote in message

news:20030424182828.08145.00000024@mb-m03.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hope you have a great birthday and have fun with your family. > JBAB (you know who…lol)

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I’ll make you a deal Michael. My husband doesn’t cook, unless you could fried eggs. You cook for me. I’ll make an apple pie for you. I am known for my darn fine pie crust. BJ-Sk. Canada "Michael Roeper" wrote in message

news:ruZpa.335331$OV.365094@rwcrnsc54… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yup…..it’s a fine name. Figure out some way to get one of them pies down > here. Apple’s my favorite (next to you of course!!) > Have lotsa fun with family. This will be a BD you’re gonna remember all year > long. Hope you and the mister have a fine time tonight. I miss dinners with > my wife. We used to go out a lot or I’d cook for her. After the divorce, I > quit cooking altogether until just recently. My oldest (Dennis, 29yrs old) > is coming over tonight to help me with a mechanical thing I don’t have the > energy for and I’m fryin him up some chicken. > God bless you! > Michael > "BJ" wrote in message > news:vagnlcqqnk4r3f@corp.supernews.com… > > You got that right Michael. I have been baking an endless stream of > cookies. > > I am going to make apple pies tomorrow. My son’s name is Michael too. > Great > > name, don’t you think? > > BJ-Sask. Canada > > "Michael Roeper" wrote in message > > news:n5Zpa.629062$S_4.680331@rwcrnsc53… > > > Wow! That is way too cool about your son! I bet you’re so excited you > > can’t > > > sit still…… > > > Have a great evening! > > > Michael > > > "BJ" wrote in message > > > news:vagm8jc4nob931@corp.supernews.com… > > > > Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you > > that. > > > > Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out > for > > > > dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for > > > dinner > > > > tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam > yesterday > > > at > > > > law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will > > > arrive > > > > Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. > > It > > > is > > > > so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my > > birthday. > > > > What better present could there be!!!!! > > > > BJ-Sask. Canada > > > > "J Rogow" wrote in message > > > > news:b88q3k02643@enews3.newsguy.com… > > > > > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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Everybody sing with me!!! Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear BJ Happy Birthday to you! ((((((((HUG)))))))) Bev "J Rogow" wrote in message

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Just great news all the way around!!! What a great week for you. Happy birthday again! "BJ" wrote in message

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yeaH! Give him a huge hug from me, please. My wonderful DiL is an Atty, I know some of how difficult it is to get through the schooling. I wish him luck in the bar exams. "BJ" wrote in message

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What a perfect birthday you must have had. So happy that you are well enough to enjoy it all. Best belated birthday wishes ruth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you everyone. This is one happy prairie chick, I can tell you that. > Some friends treated me to lunch yesterday. My daughter took me out for > dinner, and gave me a cute summer sweater. Hubby is taking me out for dinner > tonight. The very best part is that my son wrote his last exam yesterday at > law school. He is driving home today from British Columbia, and will arrive > Saturday for a five day visit. I have not seen him for over two years. It is > so exciting to think that he is beginning his journey home on my birthday. > What better present could there be!!!!! > BJ-Sask. Canada > "J Rogow" wrote in message > news:b88q3k02643@enews3.newsguy.com… > > Happiest of Birthdays to thee oh Prairie Chicken!

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There’s a bunch of us real close in age out here! Bev "Janers" wrote in message

news:Cs_18.1610$w67.154725@cletus.bright.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Didn’t you get my mail? I sent you something 2 or 3 days ago. > I am feeling a little better today. I think the medrol upping is finally kicking in > here. Even was able to go to PT today and walk and do the stretches and ultra sound > with massage…..Now if the insurance would get my tens unit here I would be all set. > You know I have been lurking here but not feeling well enough to put my 2 cents in > sometimes..OK< more than 2 cents LOL > I read posts on how do we handle this stuff. I can only say ONE DAMN DAY AT A TIME> > and think of the present….NOT the WHAT IF’S… > But you know that is really hard sometimes when you hurt, have fatigue and just plain > feel crappy. I could of used another word there but I will be nice today. > It is no wonder some of us get down in the dumps. But I guess we just go with the > flow, so to speak. > KCAT, I miss your posts. John, GO BUCKEYES, Wes, hand in there, it will get better, > Ruthie behave yourself and do your exercises for that arm. NOT THE SPLITS…… > Now I do have a WHERE ARE YOU!! Yes where is Sandra??????? > anyone know…. > To all of you who I have not said hello HELLO. > To BJ, well you know how I feel. Are you going to be the mommy of the group??? And > Bev too??? Does that mean YOU are older than me???? > Oh my thank goodness LOL. > Cindy, haven’t heard from you, hope you are well also. > Well can you tell I feel a little better, so watch out when I really feel > good……….. > hugs to all > janers

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Take care of yourself Janers. Keep reading at least. Post when you can. Rest. Hugs, BJ "Janers" wrote in message

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Didn’t you get my mail? I sent you something 2 or 3 days ago. I am feeling a little better today. I think the medrol upping is finally kicking in here. Even was able to go to PT today and walk and do the stretches and ultra sound with massage…..Now if the insurance would get my tens unit here I would be all set. You know I have been lurking here but not feeling well enough to put my 2 cents in sometimes..OK< more than 2 cents LOL I read posts on how do we handle this stuff. I can only say ONE DAMN DAY AT A TIME> and think of the present….NOT the WHAT IF’S… But you know that is really hard sometimes when you hurt, have fatigue and just plain feel crappy. I could of used another word there but I will be nice today. It is no wonder some of us get down in the dumps. But I guess we just go with the flow, so to speak. KCAT, I miss your posts. John, GO BUCKEYES, Wes, hand in there, it will get better, Ruthie behave yourself and do your exercises for that arm. NOT THE SPLITS…… Now I do have a WHERE ARE YOU!! Yes where is Sandra??????? anyone know…. To all of you who I have not said hello HELLO. To BJ, well you know how I feel. Are you going to be the mommy of the group??? And Bev too??? Does that mean YOU are older than me???? Oh my thank goodness LOL. Cindy, haven’t heard from you, hope you are well also. Well can you tell I feel a little better, so watch out when I really feel good……….. hugs to all janers

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HI BJ )) Bruce here , would you mind mailing me your e-mail addy , I have lost it. Me thinks Janers in her excitement ran over it in her new m/h. She mailed me with the company site , wow— tis better than me house and quicker to clean:)) Thanks , Bruce — rothnie

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Hi Bruce, Sorry. Busy week. Just getting to you now. I don’t think you lost it. I don’t think you ever had it. (my email addy, I mean ) BJ-the prairie chick "rothnie" <31019558…@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:xTLc9.150859$8aG1.140329@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HI BJ )) Bruce here , would you mind mailing me your e-mail addy , I have > lost it. > Me thinks Janers in her excitement ran over it in her new m/h. She mailed me > with the company site , wow— tis better than me house and quicker to > clean:)) > Thanks , Bruce > — > rothnie

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OT: Schoolgirl look no more? LONG, sorry

admin — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:00:00 +0000

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I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. / — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. / — Marina, Frank and Nikki

That *is* disconcerting, isn’t it? Almost like, a sign or something. If you’re not sure, wait a month, then see how you feel about it. It’s a big decision. You’ll miss it at first, for sure. The lady was right–you don’t see long tresses especially on women my age very much. Mine is just below my shoulders, but is very fine and I just pull it back in a clip. I think about a short ‘do every once in a while, but I honestly don’t know how to primp, I’ve never done it. I think short hair would be more trouble! Sherry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.)

She may be on chemotherapy. She may have been telling you how lucky you are to have your hair. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/

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She may be on chemotherapy. She may have been telling you how lucky you are to have your hair.

That thought did cross my mind. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. /

That’s funny! Until a couple of years ago I had hair down to the middle of my back (that’s as long as it would grow). I went into one of those "quick cut" places to get the dead ends trimmed off. The stylist looked at me as I walked over and said "Oh no, I will *not* cut that hair off!" How odd! I’ve never heard of a stylist refusing to cut someone’s hair before! She relaxed when I said it was just a trim. I did wind up getting it cut later, but Marina, you don’t have to go "short short". I got mine cut to just past my shoulders. I still feel like I’ve got my long hair. Short hair on me is really not *me*. Another thing to consider; if you’re used to braids or ponytails, some of those short cuts that look so "easy" aren’t. Do you want to get up and have to fuss with your hair? I sure don’t! Good luck with your decision. Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) She may be on chemotherapy. She may have been telling you how lucky you are to have your hair. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/

This is a good segue to my suggestion: There is an organization where you can donate your hair, which is used to make wigs for people on chemo. I’ve worn short hair for years. I’m lucky enough to have just a tiny bit of natural curl. I wash my hair, comb it, then shape it with a round brush and let it air dry. No muss, no fuss, and it always looks neat and nice. Only you can make the decision, of course. Joy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. /

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. /

Boy, that’s wierd. I don’t blame you for doubts. Maybe you just need to sleep on it a bit. Hair is hard to part with when you have had it that long. That being said, it’s also kind of fun to have a sudden complete change, which only happens with cutting, not growing out.Be sure to keep us posted.

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yodeled: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair. Might not sound like much of a decision to make, but this long hair of mine has become a huge part of who I am, especially since it turned grey then white. Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.) She may be on chemotherapy. She may have been telling you how lucky you are to have your hair. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ This is a good segue to my suggestion: There is an organization where you can donate your hair, which is used to make wigs for people on chemo. I’ve worn short hair for years. I’m lucky enough to have just a tiny bit of natural curl. I wash my hair, comb it, then shape it with a round brush and let it air dry. No muss, no fuss, and it always looks neat and nice. Only you can make the decision, of course. Joy

Me too. For years I had nice, healthy, shiny short hair with a nice natural curl that needed nothing more than to be washed, moved around a little bit, then voila. But could I leave it alone? Nooooooo. It was really nice hair, so I figured how much nicer lots of it would be. Now I have hair that does absolutely nothing that I want it to do, and I’m still too stubborn to admit defeat and cut it off again. I waited all this time to have long hair, dammit, and I’m going to have it. Check with me in six months. Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/

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I’m sorry to hear you have probs with your shoulders and neck. Have you tried "stick-gymanstics" (keppijumppa)? Many of my work buddies do it and they say it helps their aching shoulders and necks. We’re all mostly sitting at computers, so many of us get stiff shoulders. Here’s a Finnish site with pics (drawings) to give you the general idea: http://www.yths.fi/suomi/terveystietoa/keppijumppa.htm And it sure was spooky with the lady addressing you on the street about your hair like that… — Christine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 Laku: DS B G 4.11 Y L W C+ I+++ T++/- A+ E H+ S+ V++ F Q+ P- B PA PL

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Just a thought: snip very quick, regrowth very long & tedious. Definitely worth a second thought after such a timely happenstance of an intervention, and perhaps then shorten in stages? Purrs Gordon, Bandit, Pericles & Snowball (1st 2 shorthairs, 2nd 2 longhairs, none of us anxious to change) — Feline family viewable at: http://community.webshots.com/user/exocat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had long hair about 15 years now. I stopped cutting it in the mid-80s and after a few years, it was as long as it is now (before that I had *very* short hair, with all the colours of the rainbow. Will have to scan some pictures one day). The last few years, I’ve had trouble with my shoulders and neck, and just making a pony tail is getting very painful. So, after thinking it over for a long time, I’ve decided to cut off my hair.

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Maybe she was a hair angel? Twice now I’ve had weird experiences where someone would come up and talk to me about something that I was wrestling with. Once it happened when I was with my brother and he looked at me and said exactly what I was thinking. "Are you aware that we just talked to an angel?" I was very surprised since my brother is pretty much a no nonsense type person. When I was about 20 years old, I had a lot of problems getting along with my dad, and we had a lot of huge fights. One night I remember he kept saying, "It’s not all my doing. You’re responsible too. I’m just a person, I’m not just your dad," etc. The next day I went with some friends to a tea house where "psychics" would read your tea leaves when you were finished. (They look into your cup and divine information from the leaves at the bottom.) I’m not especially into stuff like that, but it was for fun. Well, first she read one friend’s leaves, and it was all about her career issues. The second friend’s was about creativity and art. When she read mine, she said, "You have a troubled relationship with your father. But you have to remember that he’s just a person too, and now that you’re an adult, it’s a two-way street, so you have to try harder, too." I almost fell off my chair!! Of course, one of the friends I went with happened to be at my father’s house with me when this fight was happening. So maybe she met with the "psychic" and told her about it… I don’t know. I’m a very down-to-earth type of person and not given to spiritual or occult beliefs, but to tell you the truth, I’d rather believe the tea leaf reader was a true psychic (I do believe that is possible). The alternative – that my friend was interfering and imposing her beliefs on me – is more disturbing… It took me years to be open to that message anyway (that my dad is just a person), but I think it was a wise message from a stranger. Joyce

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This is a good segue to my suggestion: There is an organization where you can donate your hair, which is used to make wigs for people on chemo.

That’s what I did with my hair when I got it cut. I’d been letting it grow for a decade. Too bad they couldn’t have used the beard hair too. Now, there’s barely enough left for Lady Jane Grey to snuggle in. Regards and Purrs, O J

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, how could that woman know that I had just decided to cut my hair? No-one has ever told me not to cut my hair before, at least not a complete stranger in the street. And there was nothing strange about the woman, she seemed perfectly normal and certainly sane. This was such a strange coincidence that I’m not at all sure about cutting my hair any longer. / — Marina, Frank and Nikki That *is* disconcerting, isn’t it? Almost like, a sign or something. If you’re not sure, wait a month, then see how you feel about it. It’s a big decision. You’ll miss it at first, for sure. The lady was right–you don’t see long tresses especially on women my age very much. Mine is just below my shoulders, but is very fine and I just pull it back in a clip. I think about a short ‘do every once in a while, but I honestly don’t know how to primp, I’ve never done it. I think short hair would be more trouble!

I’ve had long hair, I’ve had short hair (*really* short hair). And personally, unless buzz-cuts ever become suitable on proffesional women, I"m leaving it long. I just have to pull it back and pop it in a pony tail and off I go. I don’t *have* bad hair days, because all my hair days look the same – in pony tail or plait. Short hair needed to be styled and I really couldn’t be bothered anymore. That and I’m too cheap to go to the hairdresser every month to make sure it keeps the style that it was intended for. A buzz-cut I could do myself, or get Joel to do (I do his buzz-cut, takes 5 minutes out on the back patio. I would not pay $30 for that!) but I need to keep at least a semblance of feminity at work. Yowie

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Yesterday I went and booked the hairdresser for after my last day at work before the holidays. Then I spent most of the evening looking for pictures of the kind of hairstyle I would like to have. Today I had a dental appointment, and afterwards, when I was on my way to the office, a woman in the street came and tapped my arm and asked me if my pigtails were real. I said, "Yes, of course," and she said, "Please don’t ever cut them off! There are too many of us baldies around already." (She was wearing a hat and no hair was showing. I don’t know if she was actually bald or just short-haired.)

Wow Marina. Whatever her intent or inspiration, it probably causes you to really think about it carefully anyway. So, what are you going to do?? Susan M Otis and Chester

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe she was a hair angel? Twice now I’ve had weird experiences where someone would come up and talk to me about something that I was wrestling with. Once it happened when I was with my brother and he looked at me and said exactly what I was thinking. "Are you aware that we just talked to an angel?" I was very surprised since my brother is pretty much a no nonsense type person. When I was about 20 years old, I had a lot of problems getting along with my dad, and we had a lot of huge fights. One night I remember he kept saying, "It’s not all my doing. You’re responsible too. I’m just a person, I’m not just your dad," etc. The next day I went with some friends to a tea house where "psychics" would read your tea leaves when you were finished. (They look into your cup and divine information from the leaves at the bottom.) I’m not especially into stuff like that, but it was for fun. Well, first she read one friend’s leaves, and it was all about her career issues. The second friend’s was about creativity and art. When she read mine, she said, "You have a troubled relationship with your father. But you have to remember that he’s just a person too, and now that you’re an adult, it’s a two-way street, so you have to try harder, too." I almost fell off my chair!! Of course, one of the friends I went with happened to be at my father’s house with me when this fight was happening. So maybe she met with the "psychic" and told her about it… I don’t know. I’m a very down-to-earth type of person and not given to spiritual or occult beliefs, but to tell you the truth, I’d rather believe the tea leaf reader was a true psychic (I do believe that is possible). The alternative – that my friend was interfering and imposing her beliefs on me – is more disturbing… It took me years to be open to that message anyway (that my dad is just a person), but I think it was a wise message from a stranger. Joyce

Wow. That is just too coincidental and it seems like your friend would have given themselves away if it were a set up, don’t you think? I went to a psychic once with a friend. Her line with me was that I was going to be well off, happy, etc. I thought this is what she told everyone (this was before I heard my friends reading) but as I was leaving she stopped me and said "You didn’t ask the question that is really in your heart but I’ll give you the answer anyway. As much as you love him he loves you" I was floored since I had been wondering (for no reason I might add) if my husband loved me as much as I loved him. Then I heard my friends reading. My friend asked the psychic if she would ever be rich. The psychic said Listen you will never do more in your life but get by. You shouldn’t even ask about money because so many others areas of your life are screwed up. Work on the relationship with your husband because he is very sick. Work on your own health because you don’t want to leave your kids orphans. My friend was really upset because she was having marital problems but her husband was not sick. ABout six weeks later her husband did get very sick and was permanently disabled and almost died several times. Made a believer out of me. This person read auras. Ever since then I do not discount things like that. — Margaret Fine

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I had my hair cut off to about chin length last year. It used to be down to my shoulder blades. I think it probably looks better short (I no longer look much like Ozzy Osborne!), but unless I can be bothered to keep getting it trimmed it gets untidy very quickly, and I’m not one who’s very interested in that kind of stuff. It was so much easier to just clip the whole lot back in a ponytail. I think I’ll probably end up letting it grow back again, but I don’t regret giving the change a try. That probably doesn’t help you make your mind up at all, does it? Don’t know what you use to tie your ponytail – I find a spring loaded clip or a barette a heck of a lot easier than an elastic band. That might help with the shoulder pain a bit.

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You’re my kind o’ gal, Yowie. Exactly my attitude about standing in front of the mirror for an hour "fixing" my hair….I won’t do it. I have a big assortment of clips and it takes me 2 minutes tops. I also cut DH’s hair. One day we figured, he doesn’t have *that* much hair left anyway, so why not try? Saves 10 bucks and I am now quite good at it. The first haircut he looked a little like an Auschwitz survivor or something, but I did get better. He couldn’t have cared less though. Sherry

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I’ve had long hair about 15 years now.

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The going to a hairdresser each month is what is my main problem with having short hair – not really the expense, just the bother. I’ve had short hair before, and my job doesn’t pose that kind of restrictions on me, so there’s really no other reason not to do it – except that this complete stranger came up to me and told me never to cut my hair just when I had set my plans in motion for doing just that. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Funny, I just cut my long hair. It was real fine and brittle and wouldn’t behave. Hair changes texture as you get older and many of us get thin on top. Now with short hair it fluffs up and hides the thinness on top. And I look better. And I don’t have all that weight pulling on my neck. And it looks better with my wrinkles! The picture i saw of you didn’t look like your hair was thin. That means more hair to weigh you down. But before making a decision, can you try a short wig for awhile to see if the style fits you? Have you checked into handicapped supplies? There may be something to help you tend to your hair without raising your arms so high. You can use a long-handle bath brush to help you shampoo your hair. Maybe a spaghetti lifter can be used as a de-tangler–coarse comb; and a clean bath brush as a hair brush. A lot of them have straight handles; but occasionally I have seen them with curved handles. Just a couple ideas.

Excellent ideas! I’m still in two minds about going short. I know I looked good in short hair when I was younger, but then I was considerably slimmer, too. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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It is fun, and I like going to extremes in this sort of "safe" way, if you know what I mean. ) Besides, it’s time for something radical. When I turned 30, I quit smoking, quit my job, and entered university. I will be 40 this year, and I need to do *something*, even if it’s only cutting off my hair. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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Thanks for the link, Christine. I do some stretching exercises daily, but this has been going on for over three years already, and the doc said it should pass in 18 months. I’ve had physical therapy (fortunately, the university pays for ten sessions a year – well they should, since my shoulders hurt from working there ;o) ). Maybe I’ll try those gymnastics. And it sure was spooky with the lady addressing you on the street about your hair like that…

Especially since, as you probably know, people in Helsinki seldom talk to strangers. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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Funny, I just cut my long hair. It was real fine and brittle and wouldn’t behave. Hair changes texture as you get older and many of us get thin on top. Now with short hair it fluffs up and hides the thinness on top. And I look better. And I don’t have all that weight pulling on my neck. And it looks better with my wrinkles!

A colleague once told me that she ties her hair back to give herself a facelift. She might have been pulling my leg though.

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I have been "stewing" about my hair also. I want to get away from perms if I can find a way to let it be straight. My hair is white and grows very fast. I have a frozen right shoulder, so it is harder all the time to put it up. I have always done my own hair except for cuts and perms. There are wide toothed combs available that make combing easier. If the drug store doesn’t have them, try a beauty supply store.

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Right shoulder pain…

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Funny thing is, even arteries found in young children have tiny fatty-streaks in them…it happens to all of us, man.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your fat thighs indicates clogged arterys in your heart. You are having mini-coronarys, and need to see a Dr IMMEDIATELY! I don’t think anyone on this earth (except an anorexic) would consider my thighs to be fat…. Funny, though, none-the-less… Depleted fat cells in the region are a sure sign of massive coronary artery disease. I’d give you more advice, but you’ll be dead before you can read it anyways…

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Your fat thighs indicates clogged arterys in your heart. You are having mini-coronarys, and need to see a Dr IMMEDIATELY! I don’t think anyone on this earth (except an anorexic) would consider my thighs to be fat…. Funny, though, none-the-less…

Depleted fat cells in the region are a sure sign of massive coronary artery disease. I’d give you more advice, but you’ll be dead before you can read it anyways…

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I get it quite a bit when I really exert myself. — Ask for my e-mail if needed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However, for some reason I assumed that you were young and fit, which, no offence, you may not be. Cardiac pain can sometimes only be felt in the shoulder, but you know yourself if you have any other symptoms / risk factors which would make this more likely. I am 25 and pretty fit…so yes, it is probably referred pain….hopefully! I’ve had this problem for years now…probably the past 10 years on and off, very infrequently.

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Your fat thighs indicates clogged arterys in your heart. You are having mini-coronarys, and need to see a Dr IMMEDIATELY!

I don’t think anyone on this earth (except an anorexic) would consider my thighs to be fat…. Funny, though, none-the-less…

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C3,4,5 keeps the diaphragm alive…remember that from gross anatomy class my first year of dental school! Is this referred pain something to be concerned about? It doesn’t happen every time….just probably every few months, or if I don’t run for a week or so and have to get back into the swing of things.

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Is this referred pain something to be concerned about?

Not usually – it’s just a bit of a pain in the arse, and caused by diaphragmatic spasm. However, for some reason I assumed that you were young and fit, which, no offence, you may not be. Cardiac pain can sometimes only be felt in the shoulder, but you know yourself if you have any other symptoms / risk factors which would make this more likely. Dave

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However, for some reason I assumed that you were young and fit, which, no offence, you may not be. Cardiac pain can sometimes only be felt in the shoulder, but you know yourself if you have any other symptoms / risk factors which would make this more likely.

I am 25 and pretty fit…so yes, it is probably referred pain….hopefully! I’ve had this problem for years now…probably the past 10 years on and off, very infrequently.

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Hello everyone, Has anyone ever experienced radiating shoulder/neck pain during the end of an intense run? I sometimes get this horrible ache right in the corner of my neck and shoulder, and I need to stop and try to "stretch" it out. Do you think it is my trapezius telling me I am holding my head up in a poor position when I run? I don’t think it is referred pain from the diaphragm (at least I hope not). Thanks, C.J. BTW: thanks to whoever initially recommended the body glide for the thighs…a miracle worker!

Your fat thighs indicates clogged arterys in your heart. You are having mini-coronarys, and need to see a Dr IMMEDIATELY!

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Most probably referred pain from you diaphragm. When you breath hard at the end of the run, your diaphragm can get irritated and / or go into spasm. The nerve supplies the diaphragm joins the spinal cord around the same level as those that supply the shoulder – the brain is tricked into thinking that it is in fact the shoulder hurting. The relief you feel if probably just because your breathing normalises. Of course, it may be because you do something funny with your head, but I think it would be pretty obvious if that were the case – diaphragm irritation / spasm is more common. Dave — Ask for my e-mail if needed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello everyone, Has anyone ever experienced radiating shoulder/neck pain during the end of an intense run? I sometimes get this horrible ache right in the corner of my neck and shoulder, and I need to stop and try to "stretch" it out. Do you think it is my trapezius telling me I am holding my head up in a poor position when I run? I don’t think it is referred pain from the diaphragm (at least I hope not). Thanks, C.J. BTW: thanks to whoever initially recommended the body glide for the thighs…a miracle worker!

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Neck / shoulder pain now in with a chance

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Shit the bed, I’m such a wanker. OTS "dances_with_courgettes" wrote in message

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I could feel the pain even in my sleep. I woke up at around 6a.m OMT, and discovered that as far as I can make out, it was easier to look for bits that weren’t hurting. I did think about having some of that generic Ibuprofen I bought a few weeks ago from Tesco’s, but that way insanity lies. Sometimes it is possible to nullify pain somewhat by thinking about nooky – the endorphins and so forth. Well, I’m up and about now, and maybe the stiff joints etc will limber up, as they would not have got any exercise while I was asleep. I defy doctors etc. I will heal myself. Somehow. OTS — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 – Release Date: 23/04/2004

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Well there are stronger anti-inflammatories available with a prescription. "HumungousFungusAmongUs" spewed forth most vilely from the darkest depths of chaosnews:c6d85a$al3gi$1@ID-73971.news.uni-berlin.de: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I could feel the pain even in my sleep. I woke up at around 6a.m > OMT, and discovered that as far as I can make out, it was easier > to look for bits that weren’t hurting. I did think about having > some of that generic Ibuprofen I bought a few weeks ago from > Tesco’s, but that way insanity lies. Sometimes it is possible to > nullify pain somewhat by thinking about nooky – the endorphins > and so forth. > Well, I’m up and about now, and maybe the stiff joints etc will > limber up, as they would not have got any exercise while I was > asleep. > I defy doctors etc. I will heal myself. Somehow. > OTS > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 – Release Date: > 23/04/2004

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HumungousFungusAmongUs hat beschriffen or whatever that phrase is that makes you look all German and intellectual: .. > I could feel the pain even in my sleep. I woke up at around 6a.m OMT, and > discovered that as far as I can make out, it was easier to look for bits > that weren’t hurting. I did think about having some of that generic > Ibuprofen I bought a few weeks ago from Tesco’s, but that way insanity lies. > Sometimes it is possible to nullify pain somewhat by thinking about nooky – > the endorphins and so forth. > Well, I’m up and about now, and maybe the stiff joints etc will limber up, > as they would not have got any exercise while I was asleep. > I defy doctors etc. I will heal myself. Somehow. > OTS

Why have you got neck/shoulder pain? I have atrocious back pain at the minute, which is why I’m writing posts to this newsgroup instead of what I should be doing, which is being out on the terrace gloating at my bougainvillea. This back pain is caused by a combination of (a) adopting ill-advised semirecumbent wanking position, (b) being overweight but now I’m on a diet which is basically just eating anything crunchy and green and being hungry all the time and I’m now down to below 100k which is something I suppose, (c) being middle-aged (i.e. old) and (d) not having played football since I was 9. DWC — Omnes lagani pistrinae gelate male sapiunt